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The description of the issue with which you need help should be concise and neutral. If you are asking about an article that was deleted, please provide the exact title so that we can check the deletion log. Please avoid copying large quantities of article text to this page. Remember to sign your posts. Please click here to post your request. As always, please do not include an e-mail address or other private details. Discussions related to content disputes might better be addressed at the dispute resolution noticeboard.

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Two Editors Using Disruptive Editing and Ad Hominem Attacks

Editors Sir Joseph (talk · contribs) and Debresser (talk · contribs) are ganging up to bully their viewpoints by reverting others edits without waiting for consensus. They engage in ad hominem attacks, do not engage in assuming good faith,and make sweeping dismissive comments without saying anything of substance, sometimes without bothering to read what has already been posted. They cite WP help pages incorrectly and engage in disruptive editing, as well as biting the newcomers. But most importantly, they are reverting helpful edits and accusing others of edit wars before waiting for consensus. Here: Talk:List of notable former Orthodox Jews and here: Off the derech. I reported this on the Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents and was referred to here. Lokshin kugel (talk) 19:25, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

You might want to point out that you reported us to WP:ANI and were summarily shot down for not using the talk page and reverting without consensus. You are really asking for a boomerang and block as per SPA and OWN and COI and all the other three letter policies. I suggest you cool down a bit before things get really out of control and you are indef blocked. I understand you feel deeply about this topic, but that is why you need to take a step back from this topic. You can't just edit emotionally. Also, WP:NOTHERE and where is my ad hominem attack? Sir Joseph ^(talk) 19:29, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Please also don't forget your problems with WP:CONSENSUS, WP:OWN, WP:EDIT WAR and WP:BRD. In other words, that you're an edit warrior, who is not afraid to go against consensus based on good arguments on a talkpage, who is much too close to the issue of the articles he is editing, and thinks he owns them because he recently created or expanded them. Debresser (talk) 20:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Due to lack of editor assistance on this page, I have moved this request to the Dispute Resolution page. Lokshin kugel (talk) 02:16, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Air New Zealand Flt 901 crash 1979

I was intimately involved in the recovery operations and attempted to add to the body of knowledge about this aircraft accident. My input was in two sections: Recovery and Memorials narratives.

I got a notice from reborn22 that my entries were struck due to not being "constructive." When I attempted rebuttal with her I could not find a forum and got lost in a bunch of confusing personal emails and declarations about her life...I think...like I said very confusing and not contact point found.

Please advise how an eye witness contribution to a world renowned aircraft crash in Antarctica in 1979 could not be "constructive."

I also attempted to create a Wikipedia account to no avail. Thank You. 17:35, 2 January 2016 (UTC)173.197.158.9 (talk)T. A. Green

Thanks for trying to improve Wikipedia, unfortunately Wikipedia needs to use reliable references and in wikipedia terms you are not a reliable source unless your eye witness account has been published or reported on in a newspaper or journal. That said it would do no harm to explain what you want to add on the article talk page and other editors familiar with the topic could help. MilborneOne (talk) 19:23, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

The added content was neither controversial nor contentious and is unlikely to be contested, if we were to insist it be sourced then we would need a source for every sentence in the article. That said, however, the detail is minor, is not strictly encyclopedic, and does not necessarily enhance the article's report of the aircraft incident or its conclusions; eye-winess accounts are usually to be found on other kinds of websites. Nevertheless, Flyer22 Reborn was most likely mistaken when they labelled your edits as vandalism.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:50, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Help with revisions

Hi,

I need help updating a page to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lucy_Hanna&direction=prev&oldid=697980432

That includes supporting links with additions. Can you correct and update for me?

Thank you!

• It looks as if the article has been cleaned up already by Melcous, Materialscientist, and Titusfox. If yiu wish to discuss these edits please use the article talk page and call other users to the attention of it. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:53, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Need some input on this talk page post

Resolved

Is this kind of message appropriate for an article talk page? I don't think it is because it does not seem to bring up any concerns about the page, and it seems to be more about the editor than the article. I want input from administrators on this matter. If I chose the wrong forum to put this in, let me know. ElectricBurst^{(Electron firings)}_(Zaps) 21:40, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

This is, indeed, the wrong place to seek administrator comment. AN or ANI is the place to get administrator comments, with AN being more for advice and ANI being more for complaints; in either case be sure to carefully read the instructions first. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 22:18, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

What is the appropriate avenue to resolve a dispute over a dispute tag?

Resolved

The neutrality of an article is in dispute at Veganism. Other editors are refusing to even allow a dispute tag added to the top of the article in question, while simultaneously engaging in the dispute on the talk page. What is the most appropriate avenue to settle a dispute, over the addition of a dispute tag? Zippy268 (talk) 00:03, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

I would suggest you be guided by the comment on the article talk page by one of our most experienced editors (admin, 145,000 edits, been around for 12 years...). If you can't accept that, then call other contributors to the discussion. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:11, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

That user is a user that is involved in the dispute. I would prefer a neutral party. I guess what I was intending to ask is "what is the appropriate avenue to call other contributors to the discussion, over a dispute over a dispute tag?". Thanks! Zippy268 (talk) 00:42, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

The appropriate avenue to call more editors to a discussion is request for comments (Third Opinion does something vaguely similar, though without contributing to consensus, but is unavailable in this case due to the number of editors involved). Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 18:33, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Deletion which does not appear in edit diffs

Resolved

Militia occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

User:NorthBySouthBaranof deleted material from the Escalation subsection of the article, but this deletion does not show up in the diffs. Here is one diff https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Militia_occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge&diff=698938715&oldid=698937599 and here is the next diff https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Militia_occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge&diff=next&oldid=698938715. You can see that an entire relevant, reliably sourced and NPOV sentence and supporting citation disappeared and that it does not appear in the second diff. I've never seen this happen before. It looks like a "stealth deletion". Ghostofnemo (talk) 12:12, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

I think you need to take a closer look at the diffs, because the sentence you refer to is certainly present in this diff after my edits, which did not remove that sentence. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 12:24, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

The sentence you refer to was rewritten by another editor in this edit. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 12:26, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

I see, my apologies. The edit which actually deleted it was shown as adding material and the only deletion edit shown was yours. My mistake! Ghostofnemo (talk) 02:07, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Janet Burroway

I was dismayed to see that someone has flagged my Wikipedia article as being prejudiced in my favor and more detailed than some readers would find interesting. (I was glad, a little surprised, to see that someone has added to the bibliography three of the four books I published in 2014.) The complaints seem to be made on the same day, so probably by the same person. The article was originally written by someone who had interviewed me for a magazine, but not a personal friend. I don't at all mind if the article is made more "neutral" by someone at Wikipedia, but it is alarming and shaming to be publicly flagged in this way. Can you tell me how I can get the article "corrected" and the complaints removed? Thanks.Jburroway (talk) 20:24, 12 January 2016 (UTC)Janet Burroway

Article improvement tags are not a badge of shame for either the article or for the subject of the article. (Indeed, the number of articles here which have one or more is staggering; there are almost 20,000 articles which are tagged with one or more of the issues tagged on your page.) I note that experienced editor TeriEmbrey has spent some time working on your article and in one of the later edits said, "removed essay tag -- article still needs work on other issues though". I'm pinging her so that she can help you understand why the remaining tags are there and perhaps work towards resolving those issues. If she cares to do so, please have that discussion at the article talk page, not here. If she does not care to do so, you can make specific edit requests on the article talk page. Put each in a new section and start it with this code on a line by itself: {{Edit request}} However, you'll need to provide specific fixes. A request only that the article needs to be improved probably won't be answered since those tags are already posted at a list (of thousands of articles) which need fixes. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 21:14, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

@TransporterMan: @Jburroway: I've been working on editing the article as time allows. I'll put some more work into this article this afternoon. TeriEmbrey (talk) 21:28, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, TransporterMan. I feel better, will wait to see what's needed, if anything, from me. Jburroway (talk) 00:53, 13 January 2016 (UTC)JBurroway

@TransporterMan: @Jburroway: I did some heavy editing of the article yesterday afternoon and this morning. While I was editing it, the article was hit with more maintenance tags for citations needed, etc. I've tried to correct those, but there are a few paragraphs lacking citations from published sources. If I find appropriate citations, I will add them. Please take a look at the article and, if you have comments or suggestions for improvement, leave them on the article's talk page. It may be ready for an assessment upgrade on its accompanying talk page, too. TeriEmbrey (talk) 16:14, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

I was following this accompanied by the vain hope that I might find time to contribute a bit to the cleanup. I found no such time but realize it doesn't matter, because the job undertaken on the page has been very nice. It was a good bit of a mess before and is now a credible Wikipedia page. Well done. JohnInDC (talk) 17:22, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Inline citation

I am genuinely confused about the subject of inline citation, in a case where information for an article is largely provided by the organisation which is the subject of the page. Being required to cite other media sources, eg local newspapers (dodgy at best), often cannot be done, particularly when reciting a history of which only the members of the organisation have a complete knowledge. I appreciate that self-provision of information provides questionable authenticity, but how else is this to be done? Is there a provision for satisfying this need for authentication by clearly stating that all the info has been provided by the subject of the page?