Talk:Yadava

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I have tagged prod. Kindly either redirect to yadav or move the material there. Yadav(cast), would be offshooted to a proper namespace. You should have readers in your mind before creating such an article. Ikon ^No-Blast 10:03, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

• Yadava is a Sanskrit word and In Sanskrit (written in any script, including Devanagari), if a lone consonant is written without any following vowel, it is given a halanta/virāma diacritic below (example: प्). If it not there, it is to pronounced with vowel "a" after it. The citations mentioned in this article also used Yadava, not Yadav. Not a single logic is provided why the article should be either deleted or shifted to Yadav. It is simply unacceptable as Yadav is a Hindi word and it can not be used to describe the ancient Yadavas. Please first discuss in the talk page why a Sanskrit word should be replaced by a Hindi word.

Joy1963^Talk 12:47, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

• • I am surprised. Joy is giving such lame excuses for maintaining this article. I won't discuss with you whether it is Yadav or yadava, in sanskrit, because AFAIK, it is same. In english both terms are used interchangeably, and you are just creating problem for readers who are yet not familiar with what the term is and likely to be confused between yadav and yadava. Also. whether in sanskrit or in Hindi it is always written without halanta. Ikon ^No-Blast 15:02, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

• • • Thanks for your reply. What I could understand from your reply that the only reason behind your proposal for deletion of this article is the possible confusion between Yadava and Yadav by the readers, But, a reference has been made at the top of this article to Yadav (disambiguation) page and Yadav (disambiguation) page very clearly has removed all possibilities of confusion. A similar reference is also there in Yadav article, directing the readers to Yadav (disambiguation) page. Even at the end of the lead paragraph, it is clearly mentioned, "A number of communities and royal dynasties of ancient, medieval and modern Indian subcontinent, claiming their descents from the ancient Yadava clans and mythical Yadava personalities also describe themselves as the Yadavas (or Yadavs)," which I think leaves no room for confusion. A small point I like to mention again. In Hindi because of Schwa deletion in Indo-Aryan languages "यादव" is pronuonced as Yadav, not Yadava unlike Sanskrit and whenever any work in English mentioned about the ancient Indian people, it always used Yadava, not Yadav. Even J. N. Singh Yadav's work is titled "Yādavas Through The Ages", not Yadavs. At the end, the point raised by you seems to be an irrelevant one to me. Thank you again.

Joy1963^Talk 05:42, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

The same author dr Jn singh yadav a famous yadav historian says yadavs is same as yadav so why new article?Raosaab7 (talk) 15:43, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Abhiras themselves are Yadavas so why new article

http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=xm2ATbagEYPirAf-8szDBw&ct=result&id=fltuAAAAMAAJ&dq=chudasama+were+abhiras&q=yadavas

• As far as I know, there is absolutely no evidence in any ancient Indian literature that ancient Yadava people were anyway related to the Abhiras. Even the reference mentioned by you is about the castes of Bombay, not about the ancient people. It is quite true that like a number of other communities in South Asia, the Abhiras or the Ahirs also claim themselves as Yadavas or Yadavs and that very fact is mentioned in the lead paragraph. Wikipedia being an encyclopedia, which follows the policy of NPOV, I think you will appreciate that if Abhira and Yadava become a single article, it will be a POV and not supported by facts. If you find any reference in any ancient Indian literature (Hindu, Buddhist or Jain or any secular text), where Abhiras are mentioned as a Yadava clan, you are welcome to incorporate the same in the article with proper citation. Thanks.

Joy1963^Talk 08:31, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

• abhira has yaduvanshi classification link-The Tribes and Castes of the Central Provinces of India-page-22

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Ri7pgHOQC8UC&pg=PA21&dq=ahirs+of+gujarat&hl=en&ei=rS2MTbuHHsf4rQfOx-XSDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=ahirs%20of%20gujarat&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ancient indian historian (talk • contribs) 05:33, 12 April 2011 (UTC) If you have any doubt that abhiras later called ahirs have a branch called Yaduvanshi Ahirs and yes chudasama a clan of rajputs were caled abhiras and ahir ranas.Raosaab7 (talk) 15:38, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Yadava and Yadav article creating confusion?

If it is yadavas then what is Yadavs ?Raosaab7 (talk) 15:40, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Yadav is a clan of Yadava (descendants of Yadu). These clans are also descendants of Yadava like Saini, Bhati, Jadeja etc. --¢ℓαяк (talk) 01:52, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

So why indian govt and constitution accepts all ahirs be it be yaduvanshi , nandvanshi or gwalvanshi to be yadavas ?.

Then why are ahirs called yadavs and why not bhati, jadeja and saini ever used Yadav as last name ?Raosaab7 (talk) 06:48, 8 July 2011 (UTC)