Talk:Ford Boss engine

Topic

This topic should refer to all BOSS engines not just the upcoming one. ie 302 Boss, 351 Boss etcxbgs351@tpg.com.au 04:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

This article is about the Boss/Hurricane engine which is totally unrelated to any previous Boss engine, including the new FRPP Boss crate engines. The Boss 429 was part of the 385 engine family, the Boss 351 was a Cleveland V8, and the Boss 302 was a Windsor V8 derivative. There are already articles on all of these engines and they have no place in this article.

TheBalance 15:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

But... but... but... why do we have an article on this modern engine, not even yet in production and certainly not as notable as previous Boss engines, under "Boss engine"? If we're going to have an article called "Boss engines" it should include all the Ford Boss engines, the old series and the new ones. Baron ridiculous (talk) 04:24, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Future rename

I think Jeep still owns the trademark to the Hurricane engine name, so I believe this engine will get renamed before production. Hopefully not Duratec. --Sable232 03:07, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I do belive I read somewhere this wouldn't be Ford's first Hurricane. I could have swore I read ford had a hurricane in the 40's. And I doubt Ford will keep the name Hurricane on it, some have discussed what ford might name it, such as Cobra Jet or Boss. Feedloadr 19:35, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

AutoWeek is reporting it'll use the Boss name. --SFoskett 18:33, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Measurements

Which set of measurements here are correct, the metric or the standard? I fixed the rounding on the standard measurements, assuming that the metric ones were correct. That was reverted, because the standard measurements are apparently the "actual" measurements? --Sable232 15:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

The standard values are obviously the actual measurements: 4.53 in = 115.062mm (115mm), 4.015 in = 101.981mm (102mm), 3.74 in = 94.996mm (95mm), 3.503 = 88.9762 (89mm). TheBalance 14:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

In that case, if the engine was designed in standard, those mesurements should be first. I'll change it now. --Sable232 16:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Cancellation

I added a new cancellation section, to reflect the news from Automotive News and other sources that the Boss (for F150) has been killed. TAPwiki (talk) 23:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Removed Cancellation section and renamed it "2010 Ford F-150 SVT Raptor". New information has revealed that the engine is alive and will debut in the SVT Raptor, probably sometime next year.--MN12Fan (talk) 10:55, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

5.0 DOHC Codename "COYOTE"

Needs some newer info on this non-modular sucessor, which people think is the same engine family as the BOSS. Available in the mustang supposedly in 2011. CJ DUB (talk) 02:31, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

The Coyote is totally unrelated to the Boss. Coyote is an evolution of the Modular with increased bore spacing, it also adopted some aspects of the 3.5 Cyclone and the 2009 3.0L Mondeo PIP. The Coyote will be considered an "all-new" engine family and will replace the 4.6/5.4 in both Mustang and F150. TheBalance (talk) 17:08, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Ummm you just contradicted yourself there. Neither of these engines is a evolution of the MOD. Anyway, the Coyote is the same bore as the Boss, different stroke. Same motor. What sense does it make for Ford to have two different V8 architecture? CJ DUB (talk) 02:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I contradicted nothing.

For one, I did not say the Cyclone or Mondeo have any similarities to the Modular, what I said is that the Coyote will be adopting some aspects of the 3.5 Cyclone and 3.0L PIP.

The Coyote is said to be evolution of the Modular by several different Ford insiders, all of whom I consider credible. Initial intentions were to create a 5.0L Modular as the new 5.0L AJ was deemed too expensive for mainstream Fords. The 5.0L Modular eventually morphed into the Coyote, which by most insider accounts is in essence a Modular with increased bore spacing.

Regarding the Coyote, Cyclone and 3.0L PIP similarities, what I actually said was that the Coyote "adopted some aspects" of the 3.5L Cyclone and the 3.0L PIP, namely [I believe] DAMBs similar to the 3.5L and the new BorgWarner CTA VCT (only on all 4 camshafts in the Coyote for TiVCT) from the 2009 3.0L PIP. I'm willing to wager Coyote intake and exhaust port geometry will be most similar to the 3.5L Cyclone, rather than the tumble port 4V Modulars.

Please cite your source for the Coyote bore, based on pics alone (disregarding info I consider to be concrete) no way does the Coyote have a 4.5" bore spacing like the Boss, it just isn't long enough. Dimensionally, the Coyote is very similar to the Modular.

Coyote is eventually going to replace the 4.6/5.4 Mod across the lineup, the Boss will replace the V10. Regarding different engine families, Boss is being built in Cleveland, Coyote in Windsor, having the same engine family in two different plants doesn't reduce tooling costs by much at all.

So to sum it up, Ford is going to have two V8 engine families, Boss and Coyote. Get used to it. TheBalance (talk) 17:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Where did you get the information from such claims, beside the unreachable 'sources'? --Jacob Poon (talk) 22:41, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Patience, Ford's sure to come press releases will prove me correct. The 5.0 Coyote has no place on this page, which was the driving point of my responses. TheBalance (talk) 08:09, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, I was wrong about the increased bore spacing and DAMBs, correct on everything else. The Coyote is an evolution of the Modular, with the same bore spacing and deck height as the 4.6, 3.5 Cyclone style raised intake ports with an almost perfectly straight shot at the back of the intake valves, and CTA TiVCT like the 3.0L PIP. :D TheBalance (talk) 08:24, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

other displacements

Should we add something about the 5.8L version that was eventually cancelled? 67.176.175.142 (talk) 19:20, 6 September 2010 (UTC)