Talk:Genbukan
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references
[article im Metropolis] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Derspieltnur (talk • contribs) 14:21, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
http://www.blitzmag.net/people/ninjutsu/166-black-belt-journeys
http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home/prescript/article/ebisu_1340-3656_1997_num_16_1_975
References to different sources of ninpo info: ^ http://www.ninjutsufederation.mk/schools.html ^ http://www.genbukan.org/cgi-bin/site.pl?tanemura1 ^ http://wayofninja.com/2009/03/ninjutsu-martial-arts-the-genbukan/ ^ http://www.kinkandojo.com/content/teachers_shoto-tanemura.htm ^ http://www.samurai-sword-shop.com/connector/category/genbukan/ ^ http://www.genbukan.org/cgi-bin/site.pl?25&fileID=886 ^ http://www.genbukan.org/cgi-bin/site.pl?25&fileID=886 ^ http://www.genbukan.org/cgi-bin/site.pl?25&fileID=886 ^ http://kageshin.startlogic.com/ninpolibrary/ninposanjurokkeis.html
According to Genbukan's Dojo Localtor there are Dojo's in 30 countries and in 20 states of the USA: most of them have a website associated in the Dojo Locator.
At least four of the references are not linked in any way that can be detected to the Genbukan Organization or the Soke Shoto Tanemura.
In Belgium and The Netherlands there are 10 Dojo's, in Ireland there are 10 Dojo's, in the USA 33, in the UK 22.
I do think it is clear there is "notability" here with so called Ninjutsu Federation and Way of The Ninja magazines taking notice of Genbukan as a Ninpo school. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.176.107.45 (talk) 04:48, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Notability and references seem to have been addressed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.204.200.18 (talk) 21:40, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Notability and primary source tags
This article needs reliable third-party sources to establish notability. The tags serve as a reminder that the article needs work (or deletion). Please do not remove these tags without addressing the underlying issues. Repeated tag removals is WP:EDITWARRING: a block-able offence. jmcw (talk) 11:17, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
- I've put back the tags and semi-protected the article but please keep in mind, those tags are getting stale. If the article's notability is a worry, it should likely go to WP:AFD very soon for discussion. Likewise, if meaningful sources are lacking, they should found. Unsourced content which is thought, in good faith, not to be independently verifiable can be removed at any time. Those tags shouldn't stay much longer. Gwen Gale (talk) 18:16, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
What! please clarify _what_ unsourced content is thought in good faith not to be independently verifiable because I've seen much worse in this encyclopedia and I've seen pages with like sources, i.e. Bujinkan. In Bujinkan school, a _rival_ school to Genbukan I do not see a single source which is not connected in some way to Bujinkan. Here I did research and found articles from "ninja" stuff magazines that support Genbukan. But it seems POV is the rule in these subjects in Wikipedia, specially when some people, ie Jmcw37 have some personal preferences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.176.107.45 (talk) 01:17, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Of course you editorial guys may destroy what you wish and keep self referencing martial arts schools that Jmcw37 or some other of you guys "like". I did not this was a personal preference POV propaganda site: ¡My mistake! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.176.107.45 (talk) 01:20, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Ninja — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.176.107.45 (talk) 01:28, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- My personal preferences are to follow Wiki policy: see WP:RS and WP:Notability. To 186.176.107.45: if it gives you some peace, please note that the Bujinkan article is also tagged as needing sources and to establish notability. And, please sign your posts with ~~~~! jmcw (talk) 11:50, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- I have tagged the primary source references in the lead paragraph. What are needed are reliable, third-party books or journals: the web site of the organization and books by participants are not useful in Wikipedia. The Bujinkan article has the same problems. Try looking at Google Scholar [1] or Black Belt Magazine [2], for example. jmcw (talk) 12:05, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
References 1, 3, 5, 6, 10 are not related to Genbukan but 10 is now brokken. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.176.107.45 (talk) 15:27, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- Only dropping by to leave some neutral (and hopefully helpful) tips. I tend to agree with this edit. In a short article like this, there is no need to tag every sentence that has a sourcing worry, moreover when there are so many, one tag at the top will do.
- The notability tag has been there for three years now. That's way too long. If sources showing WP:N don't show up soon, say within a few weeks at the very most, the article should go to WP:AFD or the tag should come down. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:57, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Please review the multiple references to Black Belt Magazine added at the top of this page that will soon be added to the article since this seems to be a non POV source according to Jmcw37 and some of the lords of the Wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.176.170.99 (talk) 21:13, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
These references go as far back as 1985... I guess this school has been "notable" for quite a long time now... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.176.170.99 (talk) 21:16, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
I do not see what "bunching up" adds to the case: having Jmcw37 friends log in to "drop by" to leave some "neutral" tips just proves the POV case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.176.170.99 (talk) 21:19, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Of course, now that you guys "semiprotected" the article there is no way for these "Black Belt Magazine" articles from a dates as far back as 1985 could be added, or reference 10 (one of 4 references, in such a short article, not related in any way to Genbukan and reliable sources, or at least sources whose reliability has not been rebufed by _anybody_ in this talk page: Is this Jmcw37 and Jmcw37 friends personal Wiki or is it The Wikipedia? Because I am lost know... these "editors" that pride themselves as being editors with a lot of praise for themselves can't even follow a link but insist that this article "does not meet notability guidelines" or does not reference "third party" references, but 4 of 10 references are to third party references whose reliability is not being questioned with _facts_ just with _apreciations_ from Jmcw37 and friends. This is a school that was founded in 84 and by know, in this short span of time, has over one hundred affiliated dojos in thirty countries and twenty states of the union. Since 85 (one year after it's creation) it has been recognized with articles in Black Belt magazine, which Jmcw37 seems to hold in high regard, but, lo and behold, this accounts to nothing when Jmcw37 and friends decide not to follow links, or read books or check Youtube for techniques, nothing: I guess Jmcw37 is nowdays the dictator of what goes in Martial Arts in Wikipedia. You can then have your very personal wiki or now, that it is "semiprotected" you guys can follow the links yourselves and do the editing yourselves. I've done my work, for nothing I might add, since these obtuse so called "editors" won't offer any clear reasoning for their "tags".