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A Big Fine Mess

I can barely make head nor tail of this article: duplicate sections with slightly differing wording, no formating to speak of, a mix of lore with fact. The problems are innumerable. I'm going to cut huge swatches from this. I may make mistakes but it is impossible to read in this form. Pig^man 03:25, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've made a pass through it and cut duplicate sections and did some minor formatting, mostly to break up the huge blocks of text. I'm not familiar with the subject but there are massive POV problems with it. I'm having trouble differentiating between what seems to be religious (and apparently at least partially legendary) history and concrete history. This article needs an expert and to be refined down to pertinent facts. It rambles and the sections are not properly titled or organized. I may be back to work on it but I doubt it; it's just too overwhelming for me. Pig^man 04:06, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

POV and original research vs. scientific angle

The problem with most articles about Indian castes is that there is too much POV. In an encyclopedia, the article about a people group should be as close to the anthropological/ethnological/ethnographic point of view as possible.

Caste-promotion should be left aside. It is of no interest to the readers, and it reflects social/political agendas that are mostly POV. Signed: Shiva 122.162.165.45 (talk) 13:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

help regarding history of dalits in indian freedom movement against british imperialist

moderators are asking reliable source for dalits freedom movement

dalit political leaders should help in updating dalits battle against british imperialist Raja.m82 (talk) 08:35, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not make live articles without appropriate reliable sources - please re-read WP:FIRST. You can work on articles in your own userspace, before making them live - WP:USERSPACEDRAFT. Chzz ► 08:40, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

i will come with reliable sources about dalits involvement in freedom struggle against british imperialism i need some time because of some constraints

without evidence i will not edit about dalits freedom fighters againt british imperialism becuase i believe in non feudalistic democracy journalism Raja.m82 (talk) 12:32, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

please who deleted pasupathy pandian founder of devenderar vellalar kootamimipu (also from pallar community)

please who deleted pasupathy pandian founder of devenderar vellalar kootamimipu (also from pallar community) should update his history in wikepedia to understand the struggle of dalits

ur deletion thinks u want monopoly in leadership of pallar community to a particular doctor from that community

ur approach is not good for a good democracyRaja.m82 (talk) 07:45, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please dont fight in the notable people section

There is a lot of fight going on in the notable people section.So i have deleted it.This is for everyone to notice please dont fight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tamil1988 (talk • contribs) 07:47, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with the figure for population.

The figure given for Pallar population: 1.5 crores is unbelievable. Considering only the Tamil Nadu's population of 6,24,05,679 from Census 2001 data and the fact that the Scheduled Caste population for Tamil Nadu in that Census 2001 is 1,18,57,504 , it works out to be 2.54 percentage points more than the whole Scheduled Caste population.

Percentage of Pallars according to this site: 24.03

Percentage of total Scheduled Caste population according to Census 2001: 21.49

You might ask to consider the population in the rest of the world. But consider this:

The Tamil speaking population according to Wikipedia under 'Tamil People' is 7,70,00,000.

Again the percentage you give is 19.5% of all Tamil speaking people. Still not believable.

These figures are important. They show the reliability of the content that's being read. Do something about this! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnrameshkhan (talk • contribs) 20:31, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

About the population

According to the census of 2001 the population of pallar is not 1.5 crore. So what is the reason for denoting the population as 1.5 crore. The reason is many people belonging to this caste were mentioned as Adidravidar in the census. So their population became very less according to the census. These people live in all the districts in Tamilnadu largely except northern districts where they are found very less. Also the subcaste of the Devendar kula vellalar such as Kaaladi,moopan are present in Backward class and Mannadi present in MBC. So the population is mentioned as 1.5 crore. The exact population of the Devendra kula vellalar will be available after the caste population calculation which is going to take place in 2011.Tamil1988 (talk) 06:34, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Census Data of each Tamil Dalit caste.

http://www.censusindia.gov.in/Tables_Published/SCST/dh_sc_tamilnadu.pdf Johnrameshkhan (talk) 19:30, 18 November 2010 (UTC)rjrk[reply]

Please dont use the word 'Dalit'

Please dont use the word 'Dalit' when you are mentioning about 'Devendra kula vellalar'. This is a request on behalf of the 'Devendra kula vellalar' people. Our people get hurt by that word.117.193.65.107 (talk) 14:57, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please dont fight in the notable people section

It is not good if you continue to fight in the notable people section. I will remove it completely. Fighting to put the names of your favorite politician and removing the politician names whom you dont like. Are you all children fighting like this. No one is concerned to improve this article. Simply fighting for names then how other's will respect this community people.Tamil1988 (talk) 07:46, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Devaneya Pavanar

As per Pavanar's moziyarachi katturaikal (மொழியாராய்ச்சிக் கட்டுரைகள்) his grand father name is Muthusamy Thevar, so Pavanar does not belong to Pallar. --Kurumban (talk) 02:34, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Condemn

Devaneya pavanar belongs to 'Devendra kula vellalar' caste. There is no such caste called 'Thevar' in the entire list of cates in Tamilnadu. Please mention any valid name, also if you want to mention about 'Devendra kula vellalar' use 'Devendra kulathar' it is present in the list. I condemn your comments.Tamil1988 (talk) 11:21, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tamil quotes

In this article iam interested in adding two Tamil quotes from 9th and 10th century Tamil dictionary. Which is only 2 lines in length. And iam also going to explain its meaning in English. Since this article is controlled by admin i need your views on this matter.Tamil1988 (talk) 16:15, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What do they say in English and what do you intend for them to support? Any documents of that age will almost necessarily count as primary sources, which means we have to be careful and not interpret their meaning in any way. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:51, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I dont want to interpret their meaning in any way. I will give the meaning for them English as same as their meaning in the Tamil. They are to be mentioned to support the claim there was a caste with the name Mallar and their work is mentioned as farming and fighting.Tamil1988 (talk) 04:07, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notable people all removed, and....

...they must stay removed until a reliable source verifies that the people are/were in the Pallar/Mallar caste. The citation can be either here or on the linked Wikipedia article, but it must be verified or they cannot be listed. WP:NLIST clarifies that there are absolutely no exceptions to this for living people, and it is generally true for deceased people, though verification is always better. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:50, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]