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Glossing over terrorism?

First sentence on Fiona Glenanne: "A former IRA operative and Westen's ex-girlfriend"

Surely:

"A former IRA terrorist and Westen's ex-girlfriend"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.201.173 (talk) 01:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Extreme POV. Fiona Glenanne is a fictional character, described as "affiliated with the IRA for 14 years" -- no mention of having been a terrorist. -- 98.108.199.241 (talk) 04:31, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
An explosives expert "affiliated" with the IRA isn't a terrorist? I think "operative" is the extreme POV here. Wjousts (talk) 19:54, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The language from USA reads: Fiona (Gabrielle Anwar) may look like she just stepped out of a fashion magazine but she's a force to be reckoned with. She was affiliated with the IRA for 14 years, but ran afoul of her old organization because she didn't like being told what to do. She has since gone out on her own, picking up odd jobs and using her skills in explosives, lock picking, tracking, weapons, and hand-to-hand combat to make a living. In the pilot, we establish she built bombs for the IRA, and later that her doing so was motivated by anger at the murder of her sister by British soldiers. Does that make her a terrorist or an operative? Depends on which flag you salute. Her character sketch should probably be reworded in such a way that neither term is used. Drmargi (talk) 20:14, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the IRA *are* a terrorist organisation...81.23.50.232 (talk) 23:56, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Still POV. End of story. --Drmargi (talk) 01:47, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So would it be POV if she was a PLO "operative", who spent a lot of time blowing up Israelis but was not really a terrorist? Gordonjcp (talk) 16:26, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting analysis. Let me ask you; do you feel you'd question whether someone involved in the 9/11 attacks was a terrorist, or still comment that "it depends on your point of view." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.221.182 (talk) 17:13, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, that DOES depend on your point of view. Even here on Wikipedia, the IRA is only described as a paramilitary group, and al-Qaeda is described as similar, only saying that "most of the world" considers both as terrorist organizations. If you were to ask every terrorist if they identified themselves as terrorists, I highly doubt they'd say yes. We're supposed to be maintaining a neutral point of view here, so operative, as the more clinical and unbiased term, should be fine. Byakuya Truelight (talk) 19:25, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know that "neutral point of view" is an excuse for outright whitewashing. Wjousts (talk) 16:37, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is a U.S.A. operative who is involved in the deaths of overseas enemies (via explosives, even) a "terrorist"? If you label an IRA operative a "terrorist", you have to label a CIA operative a "terrorist", etc. Even a successful U.S.A. strike can take out a bunch of women and children who were "in the way". The only difference between a Terrorist and a Hero is which side you're on. 4.153.2.54 (talk) 22:12, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

New employee orientation?

The plot portion of the article states, "The voice-over commentary is in the form of tips for fledgling agents as if for a training or orientation film". Clearly it's not. The voice-over commentary style is better described as a memoir / autobiography. Descriptions of techniques / methods /technologies is not unusual in this genre (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spycatcher). Billyoffland (talk) 13:33, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Soundtrack

The sountrack for Burn Notice is available on Amazon.com. It appears to be an MP3 version only however (also available on iTunes).

http://www.amazon.com/Burn-Notice-Soundtrack-Hit-Original/dp/B001CRA4U6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1306743704&sr=8-1

It seems like this would be a nice addition to the Burn Notice Wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enworld (talk • contribs) 08:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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