Talk:Keddie murders

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Discrediting Book/Documentary

Blazerwolf has edited this article several times with what ended up being this note, situated, oddly, in the reference section: NOTE: The above mentioned book is a Coffee Table Book with photographs and personal observations. No real story is provided. The documentary is a compilation of home made video segments.

What's makes a "coffee table book" (i.e., one with a lot of illustration) illegitimate? And if Time/Warner made the same documentary with higher video quality would the contents suddenly count? Etc.

It's actually not an accurate description of the documentary, which is a shaped story told mainly in interview footage with the participants in the events it covers and it's been well reviewed by at least one "legit" newspaper.

I've reversed it as these are plainly personal biases. Toyblocks (talk) 01:51, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tone and Sourcing

The tone of the article is dramatically narrated, rather than factually presented. I've started to clean it up by putting the salient facts in the top of the article, including the names of the victims.

Admittedly, mention of "The Strangers" crops up in this article. (I reverse it.) However, I find the extreme accusation about this murder being merely the product of a viral marketing campaign truly odd.

Sites such as cabin28.com, keddiemurdersfilm.com based perfectly acceptable sources, at least on the basic facts of the case, certainly as much as a true crime book would be. However, if you don't agree, there is the book and the documentary. There are also articles from archives of Northern California's major newspapers available for small fees (usually $3 an article). Toyblocks (talk) 02:00, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unsigned Comment

Please give this article more time. There are other people with direct knowledge that have been just made aware of this page and I would expect them to want to add further information. This article is about a legitimate unsolved murder from 1981. It has historical value and can be linked to substantiating evidence.

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS ARTICLE??

All I can find appears to be a sophisticated viral marketing campaign. Are there any substantive sources for anything in this article? - Abscissa (talk) 15:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Check out this web site. It has an article from a newspaper at the 20 year anniversay of the slayings: http://asylumeclectica.com/asylum/sightseer/us/ca/keddie.htm Cpmason (talk) 21:07, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, like that is a reliable website to cite. Anyway, it's always the same two articles, and cabin28.com, that are cited as sources for these crimes. There needs to be more substantiation than that, especially when the reliability of those sources has been called into question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Gazel Ministry (talk • contribs) 18:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What do people think of the website quoted in the article [1]. It looks kosher, but I'm not in a position to judge, and anyway it only mentions these "keddie" murders in passing. DJ Clayworth (talk) 19:07, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How about this? [2] DJ Clayworth (talk) 19:10, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Numerous references to the Keddie Murders may be found in the archives of the Plumas County News, some of which may be found online at http://www.plumasnews.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timeshredder (talk • contribs) 21:38, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted Timeline

I deleted the timeline that had been on this page for some time. It was unreferenced and contained a lot of apparent suppositions, not to mention the fact that very little of it dealt directly with the time of the murders. I'm open to the prospect of portions of it being restored if they can be appropriately referenced. --Clay Collier (talk) 01:27, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

san francisco gate

There may be a mention of the case in the san francisco gate in 2001 which might put it pre viral marketing campain.[3].Geni 20:18, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There should be no further talk of the veracity of this artice. And I disagree strongly about some things being removed. There was nothing speculative about the timeline entries. Overland51 (talk) 22:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article is jam packed with stupid language

His 'buddy'? Three children, two of which 'belonged' to Glenna? Can someone please make the English of the article less clumsy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.239.241.8 (talk) 11:54, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The comments about Craig.

I have read a lot of Craig's posts and have yet to see where he ever contradicted himself about the ride. I have seen where people were confused about what he said, but he has never contradicted himself. It is true that no one has come forward to say that they saw the boys getting into anyone's car. And Craig's account fits the timeline. MK70.140.216.78 (talk) 21:02, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Craig speaks out!

There is no point for myself to lie and I have stated things that had happen at the time in Quincy and Keddie which includes details about the Keddie Driveway and gravel area kiddie corner of the Keddie driveway,where my apartment was at Feather River Apartments and how I became friends with JOHN SHARP and DANA WINGATE,and went to FEATHER RIVER COLLEGE with SUE SHARP. Some have said I inserted himself into the murders and again,I have no reason to do this,as you know where I come from, an very rich and prominent family. There is no need for myself to insert myself and bring disrespect, dishonor and bring such attention to myself and my family.I, no longer want anything to do with the case and have enough with the ridicule and grief,due to two of my friends being murdered,which has been even made worse by his accusers that I am a liar and an attention getter.

So you know DMAC,Deviantart is not PORN and it is Vore which is a lot different than that,as you are twisted and twisting words around like you have always done and I have written 7 complete books and 21 short stories..all published online. Maybe your jealous I am a published author now and that I want nothing to do with this SHAM in even solving these murders and it has become that a long time ago.DMAC grow up,and stop saying things you know nothing of and a lot of you were NOT up there at the time,so you do not even know what was going on and you talk all this about knowing things and you do not..I do check Josh's board quite often and see the ridiculous stuff being put up on there and information and no wonder the case and these murders will never be solved,take it from someone who was there and knew everyone involved up there at the time.

Kitty..thanks for the comments and yeah some do not know the truth and spread and say things that only is the farthest from the truth and this is why I am staying away from this and also because Valley was murdered and that is something you all do not know about..he was poisoned and sure he had a heart condition,but the poisoning several times made it worse and the last poisoning killed him.There are people out there trying to hide the truth and the KILLERS are still out there...so there is reason to not come forward with all I know...as I never hid I know information and I have said why I hide it.

CRAIG WALTERS FRC STUDENT 1980-1982