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DNR
Good morning! I'm sorry if i write to you, but i don't know to whom i have to ask.... I'm writing to ayou about the creation of a page called "DNR Dreams Not Reality". You reject my request on the editing page cause you say that our username is promotion... But we don't search for promotion! Their producer knows many people, from labels to directors, so we don't need to have a promotional page here! Hope that's clear now! We wanna create a page for the band as founder of a new genre of music, called EUROVISUAL. The project called DNR starts in 2005, when Kira, bass player, since ever artistically influenced by the Jrock/Visual Kei japanese scene, decides to create a band that would be the perfect fusion between two opposite sounds: the european groove and the asiatic melodic lines. A mix between Orient and Occident, a new genre called “Eurovisual”, which transport us in an avant garde universe where electronic and melody meet powerfull riffs made in USA. DReams Not Reality are the first italian band that brings this groove into the music world, so we hope we can create a CULTURAL PAGE (not a PROMOTIONAL PAGE) to let people know something more about EUROVISUAL and Dreams Not Reality. VISUAL KEI it's a musical genre which is very implemented in Asia and now also in Europe, thanks to DNR! Dreams Not Reality have some singles and an album already edited, one more reason for us to NOT SEARCH for promotion. Hope you can give me the opportunity to create this page. Please take note that this page must be a CULTURAL PAGE, not a promotional page. Hope to have some answer from you. In conclusion, i have to ask you a question: why does Cinema Bizarre, for example, or Beatles or Rolling Stones have a page on wikipedia and DNR cannot have their one? for Cinema Bizarre, Beatles etc it's not a question about "promotion"? Sorry, but i don't understand! Tank you in advance for your attention.
Laura — Preceding unsigned comment added by DNRDreamsNotReality (talk • contribs) 13:09, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
- First of all, my comment was about your username, not an article. Wikipedia does not allow usernames that are a.) the name of a group and/or b.) promotional. As such, you cannot use "DNRDreamsNotReality" as your username. Please note that usernames are not the same as articles. Usernames reflect an editor working on Wikipedia while articles are pages about certain subjects. Creating an username (such as "DNRDreamsNotReality") does not mean that an article by this name will be created or that it can be.
- Also, since you want to write something about a subject you are directly involved with, please read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest.
- Then, about an article: Wikipedia welcomes information about topics not already covered but it limits the subjects which can expect to have an article. The relevant guideline for this is called Wikipedia:Notability, in this special case Wikipedia:Notability (music). Please read this link and especially the criteria on this page. Does your band meet at least one of those? If so, do you have any reliable, third-party sources that directly support this?
- If the answer to one of those questions is "no", please understand that we cannot have an article about your band (at this time). If the answer to both questions is "yes", please tell me which criterion / criteria are met and what sources you have to support this. If I concur with your assessment, I'd be happy to create an article about your band.
- PS: This also answers your last question, i.e. why those other bands can have an article: Because they meet those requirements. Regards SoWhy 15:38, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
'Morning!! It'a Laura again. Thank you so much for your answer, now it's all clear! I looked at the link you give me, and i can tell you that DNR meet the first criteria; they are mentioned in a lot of articles, on newspapers and also online. If you give me an email address i'll send you all the links of the foreing and italian press where you can find articles about them. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DNRDreamsNotReality (talk • contribs) 08:20, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
- You can send me an e-mail using the "E-mail this user" link in the "toolbox" on the left side of the screen but it would be easier if you just wrote them here. Just copy+paste the links as a reply in this section. Regards SoWhy 08:52, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
Ok! Here we are, with all the links you want! :)
PRESS (some of them are "scan" of newspaper) TokyoNoise http://www.tokyonoise.net/articolo.php?id=57 Teen Rock http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp312/Sekunden-95/dnr.jpg “Gazzetta di Modena” http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/682/giornaleui8.png Teen Rock (again) http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/3025/pg01.jpg
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6605/pg02.jpg
Teen Rock #21 http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/109/35239817.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/109/37900923.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/109/32390633.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/109/15648103.jpg/
Newsic http://www.newsic.it/artisti/body_artisti.php?id=777 Beat Magazine # 45 http://i48.tinypic.com/9t25b4.jpg THOIF & CBOET http://eteam.cinemabizarre.forumfree.it/?t=45434392 French article http://i48.tinypic.com/2s9yo2d.jpg LineaMusica.it http://www.lineamusica.it/2010/06/dnr-l-intervista/#ancora Bizarre Music http://www.bizarre-music.net/publ/kira_dnr/57-1-0-282 Linea Musica.it http://www.lineamusica.it/2010/05/dnr-un-ritorno-a-casa-in-grande-stile/#ancora Bravo Russia http://i48.tinypic.com/4rdy79.jpg “Resto Del Carlino” http://www.dnrofficial.com/aster/notte_rosa_2011.jpg DDTTRH http://www.myspace.com/ddrockhall/blog/543484950 All Star http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/181650_1436647015917_1825258356_769710_2231390_n.jpg
LaCarmina personal blog http://www.lacarmina.com/
La Carmina's blog http://www.lacarmina.com/blog/2011/05/dnr-dreams-not-reality-italian-visual-kei-band-sebastiano-serafini-is-new-vocals-keyboards-member/
La Carmina's blog http://www.lacarmina.com/blog/2011/06/dnr-dreams-not-reality-versailles-cavacon-jrock-visual-kei-concert-italy-seba-kira-axia-sieg-ash-band-photos/
La Carmina's blog http://www.lacarmina.com/blog/2011/05/sebas-band-dnr-dreams-not-reality-opening-for-versailles-in-italy-visual-kei-jrock-band-europe-tour/
Cavacon guest http://www.cavacon.it/ospiti/dnr.html?keepThis=true&TB_iframe=true&height=250&width=400
V-Rock Festival official site http://v-rockfes.com/content2/
V-Rock Official Site - personal page for DNR http://v-rockfes.com/content2/?no=eEfI3NvB3SF1SAcr3QSac9S
SUPPORTS : Official Site http://www.dnrofficial.com/
Facebook http://www.facebook.com/dnrofficialpage
Myspace http://www.myspace.com/dnrofficial
Twitter http://twitter.com/#!/dnr_official
VISULOG http://visulog.jp/dnrofficial/
Italian Support http://it-it.facebook.com/DNRItalianSupport
WorldWide DNR Fan Club http://www.dnr-fanclub.com/
All the Supports http://www.dnrofficial.com/dreamers/join-the-teams.html
Hope that it's enough! Best regards. Laura — Preceding unsigned comment added by DNRDreamsNotReality (talk • contribs) 10:36, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. Most of those sources are not reliable (fan pages, blogs, Twitter, Myspace etc.) but some seem to be. Unfortunately my Italian is less than perfect despite my Italian roots so I need a native speaker to help me assess them; hence I asked fellow admin Salvio giuliano (talk · contribs) to assist, unfortunately he is kind of busy in real life at the moment, so his / my / our reply might take until Monday. Regards SoWhy 07:27, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi! No problems! We wait 'till today, it's not a problem to wait untill Monday.. Meanwhile, i found others link for you :
New interview made by Visulog (sorry, it's in Japanese) http://visulog.jp/page/next/dnr/index
Tribute to Dave Lepard http://www.dnrofficial.com/home/168-dnr-tribute-to-dave-lepard.html
I wait next week for your decision. Thank you! Greetings Laura — Preceding unsigned comment added by DNRDreamsNotReality (talk • contribs) 07:43, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
- Template:ItCiao Laura, io sono Salvio e sono l'altro amministratore che SoWhy ha interpellato. Ti scrivo sia in Italiano sia Inglese, cosicché sia più facile intenderci. Innanzitutto, come SoWhy ti ha detto, soltanto ciò che soddisfà i criterî di enciclopedicità (in Inglese, a proposito, si parla di notability) può essere oggetto di un articolo presso Wikipedia. Svariati sono i criterî che un gruppo musicale può, alternativamente, soddisfare al fine di meritare l'inclusione. Tu hai scelto di riferirti al primo di essi, in forza del quale i gruppi che hanno ricevuta vasta risonanza presso fonti attendibili (in Inglese si parla di reliable sources) e indipendenti dal soggetto sono considerati enciclopedici. Il gruppo musicale in parola, purtroppo, secondo me non soddisfà il cennato criterio, perché di esso hanno scritto fonti, per la maggior parte, non attendibili, trattandosi di contenuto creato da fan o di blog. Esclusivamente riferendomi alle fonti scritte in Italiano, quelle attendibili mi paiono essere le seguenti: Il resto del Carlino, che, però, contiene solo una menzione di passata, La gazzetta di Modena, ch'è un giornale locale (sebbene, contenga un articolo dedicato esclusivamente al complesso) e, forse, questa intervista, che, però, è pubblicata da una rivista che, per sua propria ammissione, copre sia artisti famosi sia emergenti... In breve, io non ritengo che il gruppo soddisfaccia i criterî per l'inclusione.
Transclusion error: {{En}} is only for use in File namespace. Use {{lang-en}} or {{in lang|en}} instead.Hello Laura, my name is Salvio and I am the admin SoWhy has consulted. I'm writing both in Italian and in English, so that it can be easier for us to understand each other. First of all, as SoWhy has already told you, only subjects meeting Wikipedia's notability requirements qualify for inclusion. There are various criteria a band can meet to be considered notable; one of these is that the band has received significant coverage in reliable, third-party sources. Sadly, however, DNR, in my opinion, does not meet that criterion, because it has, for the most part, received coverage from non-reliable sources, such as blogs. Only taking into consideration the sources written in Italian, only three appear reliable to me: Il resto del Carlino, which only contains a passing mention of the group, though, La gazzetta di Modena, a local newspaper (although it contains an article entirely devoted to the band) and, perhaps, this interview, published by a webzine that, by its own admission, covers both famous and emergent artists... In short, I personally do not think the band meets Wikipedia's notability threshold. Salvio Let's talk about it! 15:24, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Ciao Salvio, grazie per la tua risposta. Permettimi di contraddirti, però... Molti degli articoli che ti ho linkato NON sono scritto da fan ma da persone che hanno assistito a live dei DNR o che li hanno intervistati. Non ho linkato pagine gestite dai fan perchè sapevo benissimo che non le avreste accettate... In questo momento i DNR dovrebbero aver terminato lo show a Tokyo, al V-Rock festival e quindi domani ci potrebbero essere articoli interessanti fatti da giornalisti Giapponesi; ti passerò i link appena li ricevo. Comunque personalmente mi fa rimanere molto male il fatto che nessuno di questi link sia reputato attendibile.. Eppure giornali Russi e francesi che parlano di loro dovrebbero essere segni di interesse internazionale! Inoltre EUROVISUAL è uno stile NUOVO, che hanno portato LORO! A maggior ragione credo che dovrebbero avere la possibilità di poter far conoscere alle persone questo stile musicale innovativo.... Appena ho gli altri link te li passo, sempre che ti interessino e che la decisione di NON permettergli di creare l'articolo su di loro sia definitiva.... Laura
Mentorship
Hello SoWhy, First of all, thank you for creating a button where I can directly write you a message. I would like you to mentor me with my articles. I have already written some of them and you can check them on my profile. I have knowledge to share but unfortunately working through wikipedia is really hard, I wish editing was simpler. Thank you Nathanian Palmer (talk) 18:19, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
- Hi there. You are welcome, although each talk page (such as this one) also has a "new section" link at the top (next to the "edit" tab) which you can use. If you do create a new section, please remember to fill the "Subject/headline" field as well so that the section gets a name. I added one for this one btw.
- As for mentorship, I'm always happy to help to adopt new users but I like to say upfront that I won't tutor users or hold classes like others do; I think our help pages are able to explain most things just fine. I will, however, be happy to help if you need someone to ask specific questions or to check specific edits. If you think this is what you want as well, I'd be happy to help you. If you think you need something more (no hard feelings!), Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area/Adopters has a huge list of users also offering adoption.
- PS: Please remember to use edit summaries! Regards SoWhy 18:37, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, that works out for me. I have started this new article named Introduction to National Antarctic Programs and I intend to write an article for each of the country mentioned. In fact, I have already written most of the material and only need to put it into wikipedia. I would also like you to review my style of writing. Thank you again. Nathanian Palmer (talk) 12:23, 18 October 2011 (UTC)