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– Were reviewed multiple times... mabdul 12:28, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ChzzBot IV

I have updated the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Jorg_Janke, please review and reply me

Thanks, Winningindians — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winningindians (talk • contribs) 02:05, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick E. McGovern

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– Article already accepted. mabdul 12:32, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dear ChzzBot IV,

I received your message that I need inline references in the "Patrick E. McGovern" article. But the original submission included numerous inline refs., which now have been deleted. How do I get back to the original version?

Best, William Pepper — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drwilliampepper (talk • contribs) 14:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nail

Hi, this is Dodobird1982. You told me I need references but what if you learn something through a personal experience. In this case, I watched Dragon Ball Z, and that is how I know about the character Nail. Please respond as soon as you can! Thanks! Dodobird1982 (talk) 20:36, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dodobird1982,

this is not how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and thus your submission falls likely in the category which is not covered by Wikipedia. Please read WP:NOT and consider searching at Wikia for the Dragon Ball wiki. Regards, mabdul 12:38, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A kitten for you!

Thank you very much chzzbot for the review of my article and your guidance to improve it.

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About <The Flavor of corn> article

Hello,

Here I wanna discuss some questions about article <The Flavor of corn>. Here it's link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/The_Flavor_of_Corn

So, in this article (which was denied by you as unverified)I added all improtant information, including supported by reliable sources. 3 times I was tried to make this article affirmed, but even after I added reliable and verifed sources, it's still was denied to be article. Is this homophoby or what?? And if my sources are not verifed, which you can call verifed sourses then??

Please respond me here, thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.70.15.114 (talk) 17:01, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Just in case you ever restart this

User:ChzzBot IV/AFC unreferenced is wrong. You need to completely re-code this if you ever try to run it again. The use of <ref> tags is absolutely not required, and you should not be telling users that their AFC submissions don't include WP:Inline citations merely because they don't use ref tags. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:54, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Reference Links have been updated in the Article. And Links are made with proper attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravinder3790 (talk • contribs) 10:47, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lougba

Thanks for cleanup but I am baffled as to why you added a ref improve tag. The population is referenced, there is no need for another source.11:36, 1 November 2011 (UTC) -Dr. Blofeld (talk · contribs)

All articles require multiple sources; see WP:GNG, WP:ONESOURCE. Chzz ► 11:38, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, when I've taken my articles to GA I've actually had to remove double/triple references for each fact. Given that they only contain one fact it be redundant. If there was unsourced material then it would be appropriate, Besides, there are no other sites which have population on Benin settlements, I'm lucky to get the data.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:42, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Then there is too little information to support an article. Chzz ► 11:47, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Show me a guideline which backs up what you say in regards to new articles. I'm sure you'll find for geographical places that verification and a population figure is acceptable as a start. Of course the Expand tag would make sense, but that of course was depcrecated!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:53, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I did mention the GNG guideline above, which says Multiple sources are generally expected with a further explanatory footnote; in addition, various policies and guidelines use the plural form sources - but to move away from the wiki-politicking for a moment, I'd like to try and describe the specific problem;

I thought I'd try to help patrol some new pages. In doing so, I'm assessing any problems with the article, and trying to suggest what needs fixing. Now...just for a moment, let's put aside the fact that that one is a geographical place: if I come across an article with only a single source, it's a concern - and I've seen plenty of such articles in the queue. I need to check if the subject is 'notable', to ensure we're adding valid information. I tried searching for further information on that place, and didn't find any mention in any books - and that's what bothers me. I totally accept that there is an RS showing it, but RS's do make mistakes - and that is the one of the main reasons for insisting on, at the very least, more than one.

Are we absolutely sure that "Lougba" is a town, as such? Maybe it was in 2002; maybe that's changed? Maybe it's been renamed or merged - or, maybe it was just a typo of another place.

I did have a look, and one probably-not-reliable-source [1] shows weather/location info...but, notice that on the map there, I cannot even see a place with that name.

Now - back to the 'geographic places' thing; I don't really understand this notion of 'inherent notability' for schools and places - it seems odd to me; my own kitchen is a 'geographic place' but I doubt that would be accepted as notable (even if it was mentioned in the news). But, the concept of geo-being-notable seems to be current consensus, so OK, fair enough, I accept that. So I wouldn't tag such an article for deletion - as I would if it were e.g. a company, or some software, or a person.

But that does cause me a problem with the patrolling; what can I do, to indicate the concern? I suppose I could have put {{onesource}} instead of {{refimprove}}, possibly? How about, if you are creating more/similar articles, you just include {{onesource}} in them... or is that silly, to create articles with such tags?

Or... if there is only one reference and just a population, then wouldn't it be better to make redirects to an appropriate article on "Places in the Collines department" or something?

It'd be really useful if you could go back over other similar articles, and try to add another source or at least mark 'em up as appropriate - because I'm seeing an awful lot of these articles within the NPP backlog, so it just makes lots of work for others. Chzz ► 12:38, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pop

~~P.S. where on the given website [2] can I actually check the population data?~~ Chzz ► 12:42, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so, I searched the domain and found it mentioned in this PDF. But, that's the population for the arrondissement, yes? So, not necessarily the town - because the arrondissement might include several towns?

Also, can you let me know where you get the date for the census, of "February 15, 2002"? Chzz ► 12:46, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Date of census obtained from here. As to you PLaces in Collines Department request. Population is for the whole arrondisement, this is made clear in the articles. We have articles on tiny hamlets in UK and USA, why shouldn't we have articles which are the equivalent to the county where you live? most arrondisements have a main town named after the arrondisement. I did actually propose that List of populated places in a table format were created by country using the geonames database/government sources if they exist. Nobody is willing to run a bot. I did propose that long ago and redirect articles until there is enough information. As to the thou must not create an article if it is below GA class and "stubs are unacceptable" way of thinking I suggest you read my user page. I'd agree that that would be the best wikipedia. But in order to do so we'd have to remove all stubs and poor articles from the website and only accept them in the mainspace once fully written. As the foundation and generally people like its size and messy approach to encyclopedia building then you can't really complain about my stubbing approach to building. Believe me I'd rather the whole website would only accept quality articles than have been assessed. But if I don't create stubs then scores of others will continue to do so on a daily basis and the site will continue to be a mess. You and I have always been on good terms to my knowledge and seen eye to eye on certain issues and I'd agree with you that a proper more professional encyclopedia would only accept fully well written and sourced articlesm but wikipedia unfortunately does not entail that. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:29, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the date. I'm not convinced that that means that the census was actually conducted on that one day though.
I do not, of course, expect every new article to be GA-class. All I ask is, that it meets be basic, most-important, requirement: significant coverage in independent reliable sources. I am absolutely in favour of including just about anything, as long as it has that. And there's no getting away from the need for sourceS.
"tiny hamlets in UK and USA" - you know better than to make WP:OTHERSTUFF arguments.
You also know better than to argue that "if I don't do it, someone else will". Scores of people in my home town throw rubbish on the ground - so, I might as well, too - because it'll always be a mess anyway?
As to town/arrondissement - OK, the pop is the latter, that is reasonably clear. But where, then, is confirmation that "Lougba is a town"?

I am not, and never would, complain about your 'stubbing' - as long as the info can be checked out. Chzz ► 13:38, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Systemic

I am absolutely committed to countering our US/UK-centric systemic bias. I assure you that I would be treating this stub in exactly the same way if it were a place in one of those countries. However - for right or wrong - it is one hell of a lot easier to find sources for any pissant hamlet in the UK than it is for much larger places in developing countries. Whilst I will battle equality on all occasions, the simple fact is that, if we don't have info from verifiable sources, that dilutes the quality of Wikipedia. We have many thousands of articles on geo places outside the "Global North"^{I hate that term, but it's hard to think of better} which have no references at all. Some of them are, no doubt, a collection of about ten houses - and the people living in those houses probably each spell the place-name in a different way. Iff there was coverage in RS, then I would be delighted to have articles on each and every one - with redirects from all the alternate spellings too. And yes, we have thousands unref'd about US/UK, too. And those all need fixing too. Chzz ► 13:54, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Erm. Pissant? I checked my OED and n. 1. an Ant does not explain it. Esp. etym. "2000 Dallas Observer (Nexis) 12 Oct., [He] couldn't get a crowd to watch a piss ant eat a bale of hay." but then neither does the simile 2. "... drunk as a pissant". Oh wait. It's a tautology. Pissant hamlet is small small. I get it. Incidentally, if I recall correctly, there is an article on a 2 square miles (5 km²) UK place near me with at least 128 WP:RS's so it can be done :) --Senra (Talk) 22:52, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

By 'pissant' I just meant 'insignificant', and by 'hamlet' I meant some place that is smaller than a town. An insignificant little place. Chzz ► 07:44, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lougba satellite view.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:00, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but, what I'm really struggling with here is, there is no indication on that map that that place is "Lougba"! I mean, look - it's right next to ChzzTown! Throw me a frickin' bone here. Chzz ► 14:04, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Look, ultimately I am not getting paid for my work here. I don't have to edit a single article or contribute a single little thing. I do have other interests believe it or not and my time would probably better spent developing my skills in other hobbies. So its a bit of a cheek for you to give orders if I'm being honest with you. But you'll find thousands of settlements on google maps not marked with names. Iran for instance many which Carlos starts are not actually written on the map but you can see the towns. Bing however often has a better labelling, its marked as such here. I could simply drop the "town" and leave it as arrondissement of course... How about I try to find the settlement on a map and coordinates but if I can't I'll drop the town part OK? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:01, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker)Worth while remembering it's some of t'wiki consensus-built policies etc. you're each pissed off about, not each other, really. Like they say: "I didn't make the world, I just try to live in it!" Pesky (talk …stalk!) 16:20, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think I get paid, or something? I've spent most hours of most days for the past few years editing Wikipedia. Whilst arguing with you about this, I was simultaneously helping a nice guy in Pakistan with very limited English-skills, who wanted to write an article; I was trying to teach him the importance of referencing - hence after several hours, we progressed from [3] to [4].

But if experienced users like yourself are creating hundreds of poorly-referenced articles, how does that look to the new users? So maybe I am the one that should flounce off and say "oh, what's the point?"

We've looked at just one of the articles you made, and it began Lougba is a town and arrondissement... - and now, after considerable efforts, we've decided that we can't actually tell if it is a town. Does that not demonstrate why one single line in one single source isn't a great basis for an article?

As to Iranian settlements... please stop using 'other stuff' arguments.

I'm really not terribly impressed if a place is or is not marked on a map - I only mentioned maps because at least it'd be some indication that the place (as a town) exists - ie, it'd give me a little more confidence. But the simple reality is...it does need more references than just a Place...Population entry in one list. Chzz ► 08:39, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]