Talk:Avars (Caucasus)

Material on Caucasian Avars, with sources

Avars or Caucasian Avars are a modern people of Caucasus, mainly of Daghestan, which are the predominant group. The Capital city of Caucasian Avars is Khunzakh which means “At the Huns” or “The city of Huns”. Their self designation is “Avaral” and “Ma’arulal” (from “mu’rul Avaral”, “Avarian Highlanders”). The Caucasian Avar language is said to show some affinity ancient Mesopotamian agglutinative languages like Hurrian, Sino-Tibetan and also Ket (Yenissei Ostyak) of which there are now less than 500 speakers left in Siberia. It appears from Chinese sources that a Yenisseian group was among the peoples that up the tribal confederation known as the Huns (Xiong-Nu, Hsiung-Nu).

The linguistic data showed that the contacts of Yenisseian languages with Caucasian languages were later than with Basque and Burushaski not to speak about the Indian languages of America. This fact permitted to assume that Indians diverged first from that Union, then the Basques and Burushaski and later on the Caucasian people. Taking into consideration the Indian settlements in America to be 15 thousand years ago, A.Dulson approximately defined the Caucasian-Yenisseian language contact at 6-7 thousand years ago. He devoted his last period of life to Yenisseian languages and their comparison with other language families. Ket having preserved the most ancient structure in the conjugation system gave the key to the explanation of the conjugation system in such languages as Finno-Ugric, Uralo-Altaic, and Indo-European, which was based on pronouns.

In the Caucasian Avar language the word "Avar" is always used any time Avars mention the names of Messengers, Prophets: Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus or Muhammad. For example: Ibrahim-Avarag, Isa-Avarag or Muhammad-Avarag.Thus the word Avarag seems to mean the descendants or followers of the Messenger, Prophet, Messia or Archangel.

One of the prominent figures in Avar history is Sheikh Shamil (1797 – 1871) political and religious leader of the anti-Russian national liberation movement of the Caucasian peoples in 1817 – 1859. He was third imam of Daghestan and Chechnya (1834 – 1859).

http://www.circassiancanada.com/ing/04_daghestan/05_history/da_caucasian_avars.htm

http://www.wikimirror.com/Yeniseian_languages

http://www.hostkingdom.net/caucasus.html#Avaristan

http://www.osi.hu/ipf/fellows/Filtchenko/professor_andrei_petrovitch_duls.htm

--80.237.10.233 19:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Dispute about languages

Autor wrote that language of Avars are "Avar and Russian".This is most strange. Armenians,Aserbaijans,Georgians an others knows Russian Language bat about ther's non wrote there's Languages are "Russian" and other.Autor of "caucasian Avars" is russian nationalist. Russian Language is non-Avarian Language. Author wrote "Imam Shamil" bat non wrote about Shamil. Who was Imam Shamil was unknown. Bad Information about Avars from Wiki. Other Author (user 22 May 2006)wrothe good about Avars. --80.237.10.233 14:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Language of Avars is Avarian Language.Only. language of Russians is Russian language. Only.Language of Armenians, Georgians are Armenian and Georgian languages.

Well, considering the fact that most Avars live in Russia, I would assume that some of them know Russian (at least the ones that live in cities like Makhachkala). —Khoikhoi 01:24, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Answer to HOI. Well, bat the fact that most Avars know Turkish (Qumuq-Turkish and Oghuz Turkish).Avars of Temirkhan-Shura (Buynaksk),Kizilyurt and Khasavyurt know Qumuq Turkish, Avars of Aserbaidjan know Azeri Turkish (Oghuz Turkish), Avars of Turkiye know Turkiye Turkish. AND THIS IS FACT! MOST AVARS KNOW TURKISH! All Armenians of Armenia know Russian, all Georgians know Russian, all Uzbeks, Kazachs, Aserbaidjanians know Russian. Bat who wrote about in Wikipedia? About Makhachkala... Only 23% of people of Makhachkala are Avars."Regions with significant populations Russia (primarily Dagestan". NON-PRIMARILY...BAT THE DAGHESTANIAN REPUBLIC! THE DAGHESTAN IS REPUBLIC. Awarenstuermer--80.237.35.244 09:22, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Khoikhoi wrote: "The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.” Joseph Stalin. Hello Khoikhoi,Stalin were russian-sovjetian disgusting diktator.Stop with stalinist propaganda from user-Khoikhoi in Wikipedia!--80.237.35.244 09:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Dear troll, if you had bothered to read the article about Stalin, you would learn that he did not have a drop of Russian blood. He was 100% Georgian, and Georgians and Avars are cousins, right? --Ghirla ^-трёп- 06:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

It was a joke, I've now removed it, ok? And why do you think most Avars know Turkish? They're not even a Turkic people! Is Pan-Turkism expanding it's borders? —Khoikhoi 14:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

"related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Link about Halil-Beg Mussayassul

http://www.abbeyofreginalaudis.com/sitelive/community/mjerome/mjerome.htm--81.24.84.11 06:21, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

"Linkspam"

There's no reason to remove the external link. It provides useful information such as a map for the Avars in Dagestan, some information about the people themselves and about their religious believes. Which criterion makes this link "spam"? — N-true 14:31, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

See WP:EL and WP:SPAM. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 05:59, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Inter-article cleanup desperately needed

The average reader is going to be completely confused between the relationships (if any, and how demonstrated) between the Caucasian Avars and European Avars (a.k.a. Pseudo-Avars a.k.a Eurasian Avars). Both of these articles needs to be very clear on this blindingly obvious question. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 05:49, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Avars are not speak

Avars are not speak , but the Turko-Mongol children speak. Avars are Aryen-Caucasian. Turks are Mongol people.

Caucasian Avars were "elit Hun" people. huns were Caucasian. But Hunnic slaves were mongoloid.

Um ... WHAT ?!?!?! HammerFilmFan (talk) 19:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC) HammerFilmFan

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From Khurasan (Abarshahr) to Agran

Wiki should adhere to sources. In the chronicle of Derbent (Derbend-Name) there is a direct instruction that in the Daghestan area under name Agran (modern Northern territory of Avaristan with name Chir-yurt) the population from Khurasan is moved. And in a vicinity of district Aghran it is a lot of these inhabitants. The old name of Khurasan is Aparshahr/Abarshahr (according to Middle-Persian/Pahlavi later reading should be Awarshahr). Except for that in Avarian language there are words Awarag " the prophet, the Messiah " (< Pahlavi abar "up,on,over; higher,superior", abarag is "superior", Abargar "God, Divinity", abarig "other", abarmanig "noble").In Avaristan is also a river the Avar 'Or (ʕωr). The small river Abhar (according to language of local Turkic people "Avhar") and settlement Abhar is available also in the Iranian province Zenjan. Besides in Iran in olden time in district Shir-Kuh there was a settlement Abar-Kuh (=Abar Mounthain). The mountain Shir-Kuh is probably also is Abar-kuh. According to genetic researches Caucasian Avars are as much as possible close both Iranians, and to Anatolian Turks. The significant part of descendants modern Turk has come on the present grounds from Khurasan (in 19 century so referred to not only northeast land of Persia, but also all Afghanistan. So-called White Huns (the Iranian nomads with Mongolian and probably turkic groups) aspired to seize this territory and there them was much, as well as descendants Parthians.These statements I can support all the concrete facts, sources. As to Turkic language among Avars it really was earlier it is popular. A part of Avars (Azerbaijan, and also inhabitants Buynakskand area Khasav-yurt know Turkic language freely at a level native).

According to Yunusbayev (2006)Caucasian Avars are very close to Anatolian Turks, moreover, at it this same people (absolute identity!). But thus it for some reason has not resulted genetic markers of Iranians. If it them has resulted that a picture would look a little other. The Iranians would send forward Anatolian Turks. Other author Bulayeva (2008) proves, that Avarian women essentially differ on the origin from Avarian men. The Avarian womens are very close to Iranians, and also Slavs, and the most widespread marker among Avarian mens it "F" (61%)but among Avarian women "F" is zero, nothing! In view of a parent and fatherly line an origin the genetic distance looks according to Bulayeva as follows: Georgian (full concurrence), Iranians (0,03), Kumyk Turks 0,04, Anatolian Turks 0,05, Crimean Tatar 0,06. A part of genetics, investigating inhabitants of Croatia have come to conclusion, that the part of women Avarian qaganate should belong to marker "F". I suggest to avoid mess to write the following: according to chronicles (here to result a source) the part of the population of the Caucasian Failure has been moved from Khurasan (Аbar-shahr) for struggle with Khazars and protection of northern mountain boundaries of sasanian Iran. Thanks for attention. All details later.