Talk:Bosnians

Is this page about Bosnians or is this actually another page about Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks?

Just wondering...

You already have a page about Serbs.

You have a page about Croats.

You have a page about Bosniaks.

So why on this page about Bosnians there is nothing about Bosnians? Do you even know who Bosnians are?

Do you know how internationally admitted an recognized independent country Bosnia and Herzegovinia got its name? Do you know that every country has its own national identity and own Nation that derives it's name from that IDENTITY.

Do you know that Bosnians derive its national identity from the country that is called Bosnia, therefore the language will be Bosnian and citizens of Bosnia are called - Bosnians.

And citizens of Serbia are called Serbs.

And citizens of Croatia are called Croats.

And citizens of Germany are called Germans.

This Bosnian page is saying that Bosnians are Germans, Americans, Croats, Serbs and Bosniaks.

Do you understand that Bosnians are simply Bosnians. This is their national identity. It does not matter what Germans, Serbs, Croats or anyone in the world feel about it! It's their free will.

If you declare that Bosnia is your country you are citizen and you could be alien you are Bosnian.

If you declare that Bosnia is NOT your country, you are not citizen you have no business doing this page and pulling it in favor of your respectively chosen country!

I see here lots of non-Bosnians who are pulling strings in favor of their countries ( Serbia, Croatia mainly!! ) not allowing this page to be about Bosnians? Why?

Signature: Bosnian 100% --24.192.84.226 (talk) 02:37, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Do you know that Bosnians derive its national identity from the country that is called Bosnia, therefore the language will be Bosnian and citizens of Bosnia are called - Bosnians. - First, there is no such thing as "Bosnian nation" or "Bosnian ethnicity", the term Bosnian is anachronistic in any other sense other then being regional appellative. Second, the country is named Bosnia and Herzegovina, and is composed of 3 markedly different nations (Serbs, Croats, and Bosniaks) which have had centuries of co-existence (with a few ethnic cleansings now and then) in their own respective cultures.

I assure you that no one is "pulling strings" around here, it's just that people get very nervous when terms such as Bosnian are loosely applied. For instance, most of the foreigners (incl. the geniuses at Ethnologue) naively assume that the Bosnian language refers to the "language of Bosnia", when it facts it refers to the codified language of the Bosniaks (codified, as the Bosniaks also speak dialects that are not Ijekavian Neoštokavian), some kind of Turkish-influenced cross-breed of Serbian and Croatian. Serbs and Croats of Bosnia certainly do not speak such Bosnian language, as they've been calling their language in their respective national names for centuries, and have had separate literatures in it. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 14:32, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I see, you don't know the difference between a nation and an ethnicity, Ivan.... Bosniaks, Serbs, and Croats are not nations, but ethnicities, while a Bosnian is a nation, just like a Serbian is a nation, while a Serb isn't.80.80.40.208 (talk) 15:49, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

This is who Bosnians are !!!

Bosnia-Herzegovina or Bosnia is the multiethnic and multireligious country of all:

• Illyrians ( Ilira )
• Germanic people ( Germana )
• South Slavs ( Juznih Slavena )
• Latins ( Latina )
• Jews ( Jevreja )
• Romanies ( Roma )
• Kurds ( Kurda )
• Arabs ( Araba )

in other words of all:

• heretics Bosnians( Bogumil church ) --- ( krstjana Crkve bosanske )
• muslims( muslimana )
• roman catholics ( katolika )
• protestants ( protestanata )
• buddhists ( budista )
• gnostics ( gnostika )
• jews ( juda )
• hindus ( hindusa )
• agnostics ( agnostika )
• orthodox( pravoslavaca )
• atheists ( ateista )
• other religions ( druge religije )
• non-religious ( bez religije )
• etc. ( itd...)

who are citizens of Bosnian Nation and members of it's Bosnian People. In other words all those who are members of:

• Bosnianherezegovinian Nation ( Bosanskohercegovacke nacije ) and
• Bosnianherzegovinian People ( Bosanskohercegovackog naroda )

are Bosnians ( Bosanci/Bosanke ). --24.192.84.226 (talk) 03:30, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Bosnians are SLAVS, whether Croat, Serb or "Bosniak". I know that some Bosniaks wish to remove themselves from this Slavic classification, because Serbs are Slavs, as are many of the other eastern European countries which morally support Serbia and are against Islam in Europe, but you cannot change your hertiage, no matter how many Turkish or Arabic loan words you artificially introduce into the Bosniak "language". The other groups are what we call 'ethnic minorities'. Hxseek (talk) 23:53, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Term:"Bosnian" is simply regional,it has nothing to do with nationality.Just like "Vojvodinian or Sumadinian or Sandzaklian" can not be a nation or a ethnic group,so that "Bosnian" is not a nationality.Bosnia is artificial creation set up in Dayton at a request of Nato,but it will soon be dismembered.The process has already started. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.0.181.116 (talk) 23:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

No, Bosnian is not regional, why else is B&H in the United NATIONS? If Bosnian would be regional, then Serbian would be regional too.

I am NOT Slavic yet I am Bosnian, so why my people are not listed?

The page states this: quote "Bosnians are Slavic people who reside in, or come from, Bosnia".

Fallacies:

1. Bosnians are not just South Slavs, but also Kurds, Jews, Illyrians, Romanies, Latins, Arabs ( all major ones not listed ) 2. Bosnians are not just those who reside or come from Bosnia.

For instance:

1. I am Bosnian and I am not Slavic, I am in fact Bosnian of Germanic background. Germanic people are not listed.

2. I also do not reside in Bosnia. The choice of my residence does not make me Chinese.

Does not this show so clearly that page is not providing the facts...and whoever is in charge is for some reason simply refusing to acknowledge so. --24.192.84.226 (talk) 04:02, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Overwhelming majority (>99%) of Bosnians (in a regional sense) are Slavs that speak Slavic and affiliate themselves with Slavic culture. These Kurds, Arabs, Jews, "Illyrians" (huh?) are just an insigificant minority that hardly deserve mentioning. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 14:24, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

So then Germans aren't Germanic ? Hxseek (talk) 10:47, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Bosnians are anything but Slavs: (75% Illyrian-Teuton-Celtic (http://www.bosniafacts.info/web/genetic_makeup_of_the_balkans.php) When will you "Wikipedians" learn to respect reason and logics? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.199.140.178 (talk) 16:36, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Idiot. No idea what you are talking about Hxseek (talk) 09:27, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

iGENEA is hardly a reliable source. --|★|BignBad|★| 05:45, 2 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by BignBad (talk • contribs)

OP -- ◅PRODUCER _(TALK) 10:56, 12 November 2010 (UTC)-- ◅PRODUCER _(TALK) 10:56, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Non-Bosniaks are missing

Maybe it would be best to avoid images of famous people altogether, but this is not right as it is now, and putting Izebegovic on this page certainly is not the right choice... Andric is missing, any non-Bosniak politicians also. If you have a picture of "Merlin" you also need one of Bregovic in the list, etc. Seriously.

Well, it is a page about Bosnians, not the ethnic group within them, which all, if they have our citizenship, are part Bosnians. Up to 75% people consider them, aside of being one of the ethnic group also as Bosnian, many only Bosnians. Many people I know who are catholic faith (which in many cases would be considered Croat) or orthodox (which would in most cases result for you being a Serb) don't want to correlate to an ethnic group, because they just don't feel that they are Serbs, Croats or Montenegrians, they feel as Bosnians with that religion. AnelZukic (talk) 23:40, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I would suggest that we remove the third row so nobody is offended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.15.106.15 (talk) 09:43, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Whats with the numbers

Whats happening with the numbers there are only about 3 million Bosniaks not 8 million... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.121.73.143 (talk) 21:23, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

This page is about Bosnians, not Bosniaks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gradanin (talk • contribs) 03:40, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

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