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"U-331 returned to Salamis on 3 December, where her commander von Tiesenhausen was subsequently promoted to Kapitänleutnant and awarded the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross." for the sinking of HMS Barham. So, the German high command must have known a lot earlier than "late january" that Barham was sunk. Or was the award for merely damaging this ship? The first quote is from Wikipedia's page on U 331.80.101.7.35 (talk) 19:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

U-331 had radio equipment – torpedoing and observing a battleship blowing up a mile away was probably instantly reported to their base at Salamis. Will modify the text and remove this nonsense of "an opportunity to mislead ..."–Gamahler (talk) 17:54, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Probably, but wasn't. Leaving supposition out of it and looking at the sources, Tiesenhausen underwent a heavy depth charge attack, and was forced to dive to save his submarine. He only heard the torpedo detonate, and was unaware of what the result had been. He waited until the area was clear before resurfacing. He couldn't be sure whether Barham had been sunk, or had been damaged and left the area. He radioed in the torpedoing of a battleship, but Barham's fate was unknown. Tiesenhausen was granted the award of the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross, but on 27 January 1942. The U-331 article doesn't make this clear, hence the ip's reading that the award came well before this is understandable, but incorrect. When the Admiralty announced the sinking on 27 January, the circumstances of the loss became clear and Tiesenhausen received his award. Benea (talk) 19:36, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your explanation and source! -Gamahler (talk) 20:08, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I misread the article.

1939 OF LEWIS

WHEN THE BARHAM WAS HIT IN 1939 FOUR MEN DIED, THEY WERE BURIED IN UNMARKED GRAVES IN BOTTLE LIVERPOOL. the navy denied this and told the relatives they lost at sea. in later years the graves were discovered by prisoners clearing the grave yard. this was kept for the families and denied by the navy... my great uncle was one of the four men. ASM Lockerly