Talk:Texhnolyze

Intrepid

<Instr> I think you are being too certain in your interpretation of Texhnolyze. Though, what you are saying is very interesting and is beyond my ability to refute, can I add some things I think you missed?

Many of the characters in Texhnolyze are incomplete, in some way, that embodies their purity of character; they are only one thing, and that is it. Ichise is the embodiment of a will to survive, of a will to action. He, however, without wisdom or sophistication. Like someone said on the Amazon review (yes, that retarded 0/6 is mine), he is an animal, perhaps the human animal in its basic form. Ran would be his opposite.

Ran is possessed by overwhelming vision and knowledge. If you take a look at her visions, she does not see merely a potential future, she sees fate itself. So she is rather passive. Quite frequently, she hides behind her mask (I believe the mask is either Noh or Kabuki in origin, meaning that she is only acting as part of a role, as though the situation were already predetermined).

If you sympathize with Yoshii, you would argue that Onishii has no vision, that Onishii is only a preserver. If there was no Kanno or Yoshii, Onishii would simply extend his reign to the extinction of humanity based on its simple loss of fertility.

Also, btw, Rakan might have been better translated as Lacan, simply for the value of the allusion? Instr 18:22, 19 October 2005 (UTC)Instr

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Needs major revision in the summary as many pertinent facts from the show are missing, misplaced, or in error. Should remove interpretation in favor of hard evidence. A Start-class article at best.

Anyone is free to add and enrich the page.--Zereshk 19:21, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

I am consulting because I am uncertain as to the quality of my statements and beliefs. Instr 23:01, 19 October 2005 (UTC)Instr

Regarding the note on pronunciation, perhaps the accents should be removed. English words, unless they are derived from other languages, have no accents, and as such their presence could be considered useless. Perhaps IPA should be used to render its pronunciation instead, as it's a recognized system. —Tacubus 02:40, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Ah, at first I didn't see the note on the image from which the pronunciation was derived. However, I still offer the suggestion that IPA should be given. —Tacubus 02:45, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

The Class

It says that the Organo and the other groups vying for power in Lukuss (Lux) are "the Class". In fact, that is completely untrue. The Class are those ones who live above ground (The Hill?). They may be higher up on the food chain in Lukuss, but they're not a part of the Class. Doc, on the other hand, is a part of the Class. The same goes for Yoshii.

spoilers:

From the Geneon translation:

-The Class is below ground. According to Kano, they got themselves exiled in order to evolve or perpetuate a race dying of ennui.

-Kano and the Doc are Class. Yoshii is an overworlder.Instr 11:52, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

The Analysis

First of all, how indepth should this part be, and more importantly should it avoid spoilers or should it be a complete analysis targeted to those that already saw the whole series?

MAJOR SPOILERS :

Texhnolyze is more about evolution of the human species... The world above is not consumed by technology as it is said in the article, but is just dying because all the people got rid all of their "animal side" and lost their passions and are just waiting to die. In the other hand on Lukuss the people are pretty violent (they have their "inner beasts") and are going towards their self destruction as well. (I think the intro of episode 21 is pretty clear on this). So the only thing that could be done to save humanity is to change/evolve. Ichise seems to understand that at the last episode (all the talk about change with ran) but it's already too late.

I would go ahead and change the article without asking here, but since I would pretty much rewrite all of the analysis part instead of refining it, I would like to discuss it first before making any changes. AcidArrow 14:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Article Interpretation

I agree that although the interpretation of Texhnolyze in the article is good, it is wrong however on it's opinions on the Surface World. Saginuma (the disembodied voice and later the man who tries to convince Ichise to stay) explains that those who remain in the Surface World are the Theonormal (which according to TV.com's page on Texhnolyze (Episodes, summary for episode "Rogue 20: Hades") means people with orthotics, although this is never explicitly stated by any of the characters in the anime), and that they were trying to evolve to the next level of humanity (if I remember correctly). Although there seems to be at least some technological advancements (the scanner in the train station, the work stations in the Government Office building), there are also many what you could call anachronisms in the Surface World. Things such as the old radios, cars, cinema etc. appear frequently, this would mean that the Surface World is not so far ahead in technology (in fact, maybe even behind in most cases) than what the interpretation in the article says. The interpretation gives me the feeling that the Surface World is filled with technology and machines, which is something more akin to maybe Ghost in the Shell, or Metropolis.

I believe an article change should be in order, but with a spoiler warning attached. I was also thinking that maybe an episode summary may be in order, but it could be a tad excessive. --Ryushi 21:11, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

If an episode summary were typed, I think it would be best to put it on another page, then leave a brief summary and link on this one. The current summary is already pushing it in terms of length. Eternalslumber 10:04, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

General

I don't have a preference, but I'm sure someone does. This article uses both 'Lux' and 'Lukuss.' Someone with a preference should change this.

The article tends to use Lukuss more than Lux. Plus it says later on they got it from the latin word lux, to mean light. 24.77.70.79 01:12, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Minor Characters

I edited the entry for Minor Character Hirota Michiko. The reason for this is that a character description should be brief, and most likely to contain elements of the character at the beginning of the series, not reveal their fate in the space of a sentence.

Ran Description

The character for description is too detailed and filled with what is more an episode summary at best. Changed to a more suited text. 68.144.87.169 02:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC) So... how many episodes does this show have? 68.144.87.169 02:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC) The length of the series is 22 episodes.

Was Ran's mind texnolyzed? IIRC, Kano had stated that his mind was texhnolyzed and I assume this is why he has "telepathic" type powers. He can also communicate telepathically with ran, implying she is similar.

He said she was his eyes, implying that she gives images of the city back to him. Ran also could talk to Onishi and presumably anyone with a texhnolyzed body--so perhaps she could see through the eyse of everyone. Does anyone know how she predicted the future? Was it a true supernatural power or just her seeing through the eyes of everyone, allowing her to better guess at what was going to happen?

He also said that he had intercourse with Ran, but I don't know if that's literal or if it means some type of mental merging.

Oh and what was the meaning of the bee-hive like structures connected to the heads of the Shapes?

I think all of these should be addressed, but we need to find either an official or literary analysis of some kind by some third party (that qualifies in WP:RS). -Nathan J. Yoder 06:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think Ran's mind was Texhnolyzed. Although the entire anime is open to interpretation through metaphors and what not. But taking it from face value, Ran simply was born of the generation and was chosen to have clairvoyancy. Although it's quite possible that she eventually gained more control over her mind and thus her powers expanded, allowing her to show the entire city her vision of the future (and causing the populous to go mad and wipe itself out), communicate with single people and also generate images of herself for Ichise to follow.

I don't remember Kano ever saying his mind was texhnolyzed. I know he texhnolyzed his legs in a much more radical procedure, which possibly gave him greater control over his own mind although I'm not sure about this. The only instance in the entire anime of Kano and Ran talking to each other is those surreal moments toward the end where there are lots of colours onscreen, but then at this point Kano had Ran in his posession, making talking telepathically a bit redundant cause she is right there in front of him.

The Bee-hive like structures are the Shapes life support systems. I forget the character's name (Kohakura maybe? He left Organo and wanted to become a high level member of the Class but was refused) but he states to Ichise toward the end that they were given their bodies so that they could last a very long time, and eventually evolve into the next species. Now from the looks of it Shapes do not need food, or need to breathe (a lack of respitory and digestive system) but there must be something they use to keep everything in check, which I believe to be the bee-hive structure on their chests.

I really should watch the anime again lol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryushi (talk • contribs) 13:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I know they are life support systems, I was asking about the sybmolic meaning of the shape of them. A lot of this symbolism will be hard to find in terms of citable sources for Wikipedia. There aren't any official analyses are there? We can quote the characters themselves, at the very least. About Kano, he clearly is able to manipulate texnolyzed people, even to the point of speaking to them "telepathically" and disabling them, which supports the idea. I'm not up to reviewing the DVD, but I'm pretty sure he said his mind was texnolyzed and I'm sure someone could find a direct quote, which could be included in the article. I was under the impression that when Kano was talking to Ran, she was in the obelisk, away from him (after all, she was kileld in there)--it was only after she was killed in the obelisk that he got her body, from what I can infer. Or did ran have part of her 'mind' physically in the obelisk while her body could be elsewhere? -Nathan J. Yoder 06:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Well a hive has many bees inside it? Referring to their growing number maybe? There's a good possibility that Ran was inside the Obelisk, as it would explain why blood was pouring out of it at the end (always did wonder about that. I thought Kano disabled texhnolzyed body parts with a controller or something similar? Maybe he is psychic. Ryushi 12:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Soundtracks

The anime has two soundtracks as well as a track by Gackt which although isn't as important as the anime itself, does contribute a lot to the atmosphere of the show (as any good soundtrack should). Should any mention of the soundtracks be made or is it too excessive? Ryushi 13:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Soundtrack is one third of Texhnolyze imo. It should be included and the plot section is excessive. --14.198.221.19 (talk) 17:00, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Neon Genesis Shinji Comparison

Isn't this information more suited to the Trivia section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryushi (talk • contribs) 13:10, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Original research and inappropriate, personal analysis

Your interpretation is inappropriate here. Your analysis is original research. If you want to offer opinions, they must adhere to the section ,Characterizing Opinions of People's Work, in the policy article, Neutral Point of View. It states that an opinion (or anaylsis) of a person's work may be stated if it is a widely held opinion (e.g. Shakespeare was one of the most influential writers in the English language) or if it is an opinion offered by an expert in a given field (e.g. an Impressionism expert giving an analysis of a Monet painting). Otherwise, I'm afraid, Wikipedia writers may only offer facts and let them stand on their own. It may seem drab, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not one a host of other portals available elsewhere on the net. Cheers, ₪ ask123 {t} 05:53, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 09:58, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

In a hurry, but...

Sorry, no time to edit. Ran across this article, it felt incomplete, couldn't put my finger on it, decided to check out the talk page.

...What is going on with this talk page? I am so confused.

As I said, no time to go through and figure out what is so weird about this article, but...

It looks like the Talk section needs some sorting out, and the article also needs a bit of work — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.46.254.173 (talk) 19:48, 12 June 2013 (UTC)