Talk:Darth Nihilus

Merging

I'm thinking this should be merged into the Minor characters in Star Wars page. Thoughts? --Cbarbry 04:39, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

On second thought maybe not. I looked and Darth Malak has his own (pretty extensive) page. How key of a character is he? (I haven't played the game yet because it's not out on PC yet.) --Cbarbry 04:46, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

He isn't featured as much as Malak was in KotOR, but being one of three Sith Lords, it makes more sense that there is a division between the amount each of them are featured. --Nufy8 20:00, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

He is absolutely crucial to Visas Marr, but as far as the rest of the game goes, he could be easily cut. --maru 21:36, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Edit summary- ???

In the revisions of this article here[1] one of the editors claims "He's obviously not dead yet". What does s/he mean? --Anonymous

I have no idea what Jon Hart means- Nihilus dies pretty well in the game. --maru 21:36, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

I believe Jon was referring to the fact that the previous revision claimed that he had died in the Mandalorian Wars, which would make his appearance in the game impossible, as it is set after the Mandalorian Wars. --Nufy8 21:44, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Alright then- I guess I should have examined the article more thoroughly, and not relied on the diff. --maru 23:38, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

As far as I know, Nihilus dissolved as fought on the ravager, then i remember his servent Visas said ' he'll be waiting for you on the surface of telos '- but I never got to the surface i went straight to malachor V ... I havent modified anything just a thought

I don't remember Visas saying that. Where did you hear that dialogue?

Personal Musings on Darth Nihilus

When Visas Marr unmasked Darth Nihilus on the Ravager, one of her responses was that she saw only a man, nothing more. While this in itself means nothing, it could mean that the greatest fear of Darth Nihilus was powerlessness. While this fear is shared among many Sith (and some Jedi), I believe in the case of Darth Nihilus it was more extreme. I guess that he inwardly wanted to prove to others that he was not "merely" a man. This could also be another reason why he divested himself of his own humanity. It could also be a reminder to all of us that for all our supposed capabilities, we are only humans who could only do so much. --Chameleon.

Another subject I would like to bring up is Darth Nihilus' method of communication. It seems to me that Nihilus is using telepathy or telepathic impressions to make his intentions known. He could still understand Basic when spoken to, but his communication has evolved to the point that he does not need to speak. --Chameleon

Well, when Kreia says that he (Nihilus) is not to be considered a man or human anymore, it is interesting to wonder- what part of his humanity she is referring to? --Psi Edit

His spirit I think- he cannot even communicate with humans, and mere humans cannot comprehend the depth of his immersion in the Dark side, nor the magnitude of his hunger; can you really comprehend a hunger that could devour an entire planet, and still not be satisfied, IMHO. --maru 15:01, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

He can communicate to some people. Visas (who was raised by Nihilus) talks to him and receives the order to find the Exile from him. But you bring a good point. How can he control a Sith fleet by emiting patterns of sounds that his subordinates can't understand? --Psi Edit

Really good battle meditation! :) --maru 02:31, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

his voice is the same as the voices of the sith holocroms in atris' possesion. Could he be one of the true sith? darth malice

It certainly is possible, but unlikely as he is accounted for in the galaxy proper as one of Revan's Sith I believe. I question the identification of the Sith in Atris' Holocrons with the True Sith though. Seems unlikely. --Maru

The game is all about showing the weaknesses of both extremes in the Force, light and dark. The quintessential Sith features betrayal, strengths gained through pain and hunger for power. I do not believe our Sith Lord here to be empty or meaningless to the story, we are used to tough and powerful villains, for once we see something different, an utter slave, crawling for his need to feed. I found that interesting, especially the way he is defeated, he had to be exposed to the Republic, the Mandalorians, and a broken bond to be weak enough, also it wasn't a duel. As for the name, I believe it to be linked to the nature of Force Bonds and his ability to consume those connections, drawing others' energies to him like a dead star, a hole in the Force, leaving nothing. --Jinger 03:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Mask and Body covering similarity

He is similar to Darth Vader and General Grievous because he wears a fearsome mask along with clothing/armor that covers his entire body. --Ed Telerionus 19:45, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That's the way Sith Lords are. --Psi edit

It's not a categorical truth, mind you- Exar Kun or Ulic Qel-Droma didn't wear masks and full body armor; nor did Freedon Nadd or Ludo Kressh, or most of the old Sith Lords. --maru 16:12, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Nor did Traya and most definatly Darth Sion. --Kross 19:04, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah I take back my comment, only Carnor Jax and Lady Lumiya wear masks. Also my comment really dosnt make any sense (and neither does yours Telerionus) mainly because Darth Vader is forced to wear that mask and armor as life support. Also Grievous technically dosnt have a body anymore (the only body he has is his armor) thus it isnt really armor. And futhermore Nihilus is the only Sith Lord to wear a mask for no necessary reason.

Are you so sure Nihilus doesn't have a reason for wearing the mask? After all, even his humanity is debatable. --maru 03:48, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The mask is a trophy. It is believed to be made from Revan's skull. --NEMT 01:52, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Made from Revan's skull? Are you daft? --maru (talk) contribs 04:01, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

WP:NPA. In early plot revisions of Kotor2 Nihilus killed Revan, his mask is made out of Revan's skull; or it least it may have been. Talk is they were going to explain it clearly in the game, but didn't want the plot to take such a morbid turn and left it unanswered. It's a shame really, I thought it would've been a much more appropriate explanation for how Kreia got the Ebon hawk. --NEMT 06:10, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok I change that to Nihilus is the only Lord with no known reason to wear a mask (either that or forget the whole thing). -- Psi edit

*Darth* Revan wore a Mask as well. It was conjectured at one point in KotOR that he did so to hide the effects the dark side might have had on his appearance. A cutscene late in the game reveals that his appearance was indeed badly messed up by the dark side of the force. Certian game elements also indicate that the deformity can be reversed somehow or another, but will re-appear if he continues to delve deeply into the dark side. It's a reason, but a minor one...as it's purely cosmetic. -Graptor

What cutscene was this? Nufy8 13:38, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

In the scenes portraying Revan's capture, wasn't he wearing a mask, so as not to spoil how the player is Revan? --Maru (talk) 19:40, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

That is my understanding. Nufy8 19:42, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Well I was trying my darndest not to spoil it. Oh well. The cutscene occurs late in the game, I believe while you're on the Leviathan, when it's finally revealed that the player character...er...was...Revan. There's a series of flashbacks to different things people have said that hinted at it through the game(all standard, pre-rendered cutscenes), and then, at the very end, it changes to a game-render cutscene of Revan standing, I believe, on the top of the Temple on Unknown world(could be wrong). At this point Revan takes off his mask, and reveals whichever face the player chose...but with the 'dark side' deformities plainly visible. I also recall, though I cannot recall when it happened, someone(Bastila comes to mind) speculating that Revan wore a mask to hide such (possible) deformities. She didn't actually *KNOW* that's why, she was guessing, as the deformities are sometimes known to happen to dark side users. It is, in fact, the only in-character explanation offered.

I actually suspect that there were indeed several out-of-character reasons that were the real driving force. Among them being to hide that the Player was Revan, but also a more practical reason. As Revan's appearance, and even Gender, is dependant on the Player's selection... if they didn't hide his face somehow, they'd have to do a different cutscene for each possible appearance! Using the 'pre-rendered' cutscenes like they do would've been rendered all but impossible as the size considerations would be absurd. Note that they avoid that the one time Revan's face is show by showing a darkside version of the player character in a game-rendered 'cutscene'. They didn't need to use a mask though, just hide his face somehow. A mask is a probably the best way to do that, however. Also, it makes him seem somewhat like a 'faceless evil sith dude', which makes it all the harder for the player to identify with him at all(which gives the two somewhat of a 'mental seperation', unless you choose to embrace being Revan...) The lack of any speech by Revan helps this as well(though you have the same problem there as with the faces, though not quite as bad, perhaps.) Trying to evoke Darth Vader a bit perhaps as well... -Graptor

Interesting that while people cannot identify with Revan audiences completely identified with Darth Vader