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From List of Dragon Ball characters

Attacks:

  • Death Ball
  • Death Beam
  • Crazy Finger Beam (in third form)
  • Energy Cutter

Someone who knows Freeza should put these special attacks in the main article if they aren't still there. -- ReyBrujo 21:10, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Attack lists aren't canonical and so don't really belong here. They almost never actually name the attacks in the anime or manga. Some are named in the daizenshuus, but the vast majority of "attack lists" come from video games... which don't count. JRP 21:49, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't Freeza have a main article with this info on it. I mean when I type in "Freeza" I am sent to this page. He doesn't even have a biography.

Which is the correct way to spell his name? I have seen both Freeza and Frieza. Which one is correct? I would like somebody's input on this real soon, like tomorrow, or in an hour. I'll be back. (unsigned comment) 06:03,08 April 2006 (UTC)

Dude. I think you are new at this, but signing someone else's name to a comment is extremely bad etiquette. I'll remove my name from your comment because I think you were just cutting and pasting from above. (We also went through this whole naming controversy already, more than a year ago. Google test also says "Frieza" is more common.) JRP 04:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In the US, his official name is spelled Frieza. You can check the official website: http://www.dragonballz.com/index.cfm?page=sagas&id=8 TJ Spyke 20:44, 26 April 2006 (ET)

And yet it's spelled "Freeza" in all of FUNimation's subs and in the Viz manga. Ai-yah. Papacha 04:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Article Enhancements

  • Wiki-star: Good day fellow contributors. I must say that this is a fine day indeed. 2 more weeks of school, and we're finally out! But onto matters of real importance. It seems this article is calling for a new format. This article is ok, but it can be a whole lot better and more fun to read. I have taken it upon myself to format all Dragon Ball character pages the same, however i cannot do it alone. (At least not right now). But i just wanted to alarm you all that this article will be in a new and much better format very soon. Don't worry, nothing will be deleted (unless it's uneccessary). More information will be added, and the article will be in a much better organization for all readers. For an example of what this article will son look like, check out the Buu or Vegetto articles. Adios!

Wiki-star 05:43, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the warning. Your cancer of false dub alliterations, three dozen pictures per section, and inane rewrites will be reverted by myself and others on sight. Have a great vacation! Papacha 17:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
And as far as being "too harsh" goes, I'd say you've earned it. Particularly with your "everything has to be MY way mentality" you've demonstrated on countless occassions and your disrespect to other users once you drop this civil fascade of yours, all the while whining about the same things you dish out.
Buu edit war
Buu's discussion
Vegeta's discussion
Wikipedia:Help desk#Further Restrictions
This is where you come in and say something. Probably something pithy like wanting a "civilized conversation" or talking R-E-A-L S-L-O-W, inevitably ending in "buddy" or "my friend". But flame wars are fruitless, so say your piece and get out. Confrontation seems to be your forté, but it gets boring after a while and I don't have the time.
Of course, you're free to do what you want. I don't have the wherewithal to stop you, and I can't rightly call your edits vandalism, even if I strongly disagree with them. I'm no "Wiki-deity"; I have no greater hold on an article than anyone else. But - and it's a BIG but - it's not yours either, and any edits for the worse will be undone.
So take care. I don't expect this to carry out like the row with Daishokaioshin, since yelling over the net's old hat, and e-cock measurement's not my thing ('CAUSE I'M SECURE, GODDAMNIT <_< >_>). So prove me wrong. Tell us exactly *what* you want to do, if it's not a rewrite. Not a breakdown of his transformations into smaller sections, as what's given is succinct enough. Not Freeza -> Frieza, whole episode summaries, or a bajillion pictures of him either, since FUNi already acknowledges the former and you've been spoken to about the others.
Maybe I was too harsh. I wish I could say I had faith in the future, but fool me once... Papacha 19:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Let's assume good faith before preemptively doing something. Wiki-star seems to want to genuinely improve DBZ articles, but by the looks of it takes his passion too far or the wrong way, getting into arguments with other users. Although I see nothing in major need of fixing in this article, and Wiki-star's tone is not the best. I'm also against the possible adding of so many pictures and the lay-out of the two articles, as while it may appear better to Wiki-star the huge amount of minor subsections is not very organized and all over to me. It's difficult to scan and read actually. But let's be civil and not jump to conclusions. Voice of Treason 20:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Curse you do-gooders and your... y-your... DO-GOODERY~!! You're right, of course. I went on the offensive because I don't want to see articles I and others have put heavy work into being FUBAR'ed up, but yeah, point taken. I'll suck my thumb and bide my time.
Rawr. Papacha 20:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well I take back what I said now, as after Wiki-star moved the page the pic no longer works, and I don't know how to undo a move. Things like this are usually discussed first. Voice of Treason 23:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


  • Wiki-star: To be honest with you, i don't care whether or not you like the way i edit these Dragon Ball articles. Because instead of actually congratulating me on actually making an effort, you folks are insulting my contributions. I don't really care, you still won't stop me from contributing my knowledge. Quite frankly, theres nothing obviously wrong about them. This article can be in a much better shape than it is now. And because knowone is adding more information about Frieza, it is my ferm belief to add these informations myself. If you don't like it, tough. It will make the article much easier to read, and easy navigation through reading about Frieza. Thanks! Wiki-star 06:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
And honestly, you liking what is honestly an eye-sore is something I don't particularly care about honestly, to be honest honestly. Actually, telling honest someone honest "tough" honest on a collaborative effort like Wikihonest is 'fermly' incorrect... truthonestly.
Honestly - last time, honest - you never read anything but the criticisms, and your attack on someone who was defending you was par for the course. Maybe (maybe?!) I was froggy in the beginning, but the end result for you is always the same - ego stroking-a-go-go, mostly 'cause you disregard the suggestions of others. Of course, I'm contributing to this ego even now by paying you mind, so I'll stop now, please.
In any case, do what you like. It's a free internet, despite what those nagging billing charges will tell you. Hones... Papacha 07:37, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Naming

Ok, I notice this article was changed from Freeza to Frieza, and likewise Coola's page was changed to Cooler. Am I the only one who finds that inconsistent? The majority of DB articles use the original or manga translated names it seems. Also, this entire article uses Freeza, so Frieza at the top is a little confusing. And Coola used to let you search his name and come up directly on his page. Type Cooler and you get a page on refrigeration devices. Am I alone in thinking this change wasn't necessary (and likely fueled not so much by logic as by the "this is English Wiki so we must swear by FUNimation naming" philosphy some exhibit)? Onikage725 16:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikistar's the one who initiated the move.
Figures. Wikistar's under the impression that the only source for English speakers worldwide is what Americans saw on Cartoon Network -.- Onikage725 09:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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What? That wasn't explanantion enough...?!
Anyway - it's a bit of a hassle to change them back (articles can't be so easily moved once they're edited) as an admin has to either kill Freeza/Coola or conduct the move themselves. Since my dial's turned to "slothy" in DBZ affairs nowadays please free to pick up the slack. Papacha 17:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'd love to, but I'm still getting used to things here. How do I go about that, or who do I need to contact? This really was a ridiculous and pointless move just so one user can feel more comfortable with his lack of exposure beyond Toonami. Onikage725 09:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Someone will need to contact an admin or go to WP:RM to request a move with proper rationale. Voice of Treason 19:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The majority of people who are fans of DB/DBZ/DBGT and speak English know him as Frieza, it's more common than "Freeza". I think it should stay this way. TJ Spyke 23:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The consensus has been to use original or manga translated names (the Viz Manga uses Freeza btw, and the manga itself is the highest source of canon information). It's inconsistent to have every other article in this format, and this article itself for that matter, and then use that name on top. "Frieza" doesn't even make sense, pronunciation-wise. Obviously in English those letters together make a y sound, not a long e, and as such should sound like Fry-za when said with that spelling. In Japanese, i is pronounced like a long e and e is like a long a. So that would imply a name that sounded like Free-ayza (which is clearly not how it is pronounced in any version). Also, "Frieza" doesn't preserve the pun. Freeza and Coola (and King Cold) are obviously puns of a chilly nature. "Frieza" looks more like the plural or past-tense forms of the word fry, which implies heat, which is the exact opposite of the intended pun. The dub basically has a typo. They pronounce it correctly. The manga spells it correctly. It's common knowledge what the correct romanization is. Onikage725 02:30, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Proposed Move

Frieza→Freeza for reasons stated above. 95% of DB articles go by original source or Viz Manga. What sense is it to have two FUNimation mistranslations? It's inconsistent and more importantly incorrect, regardless of "how many English speaking fans" watched the anime adaptation on Toonami. Onikage725 14:30, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one sentence explanation and sign your vote with ~~~~

User: Wiki-star
Choice: Oppose
Reason: Because this is the Englihs version of Wikipedia, and because according to the cartoon designers and editors, Frieza is the offical and correct spelling. Wiki-star 14:43, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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