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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Wrant (talk | contribs) at 20:26, 20 April 2014 (→Please don't take it personally). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

The Signpost: 26 March 2014

Mediation?

I see you’re a socially-conforming person who know how obtain the favour of a superior. It’s not so bad currently. Rather than to blame me for my (perceived) faults, you could try to mediate (with Dennis) the end of the conflict. After his “amendment” the fate of the infamous “short-lived country merger” discussion is not particularly important (the article even may be eventually restored in spite of Dennis’ opinion, after a year or so). But I insist on a severe admonishment to Dpmuk in exchange of a possibility for Dennis to save his face. It is my primary condition. I do not know how admins decide who is an alpha and who may be slaughtered (if necessary), and I do not want to learn it, but you can. When sysopped boys/girls will see that they aren’t protected by the tribe in the case of a costly mistake, they will be more reluctant to attack users on the first call of a brass hat next time. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 06:20, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

On the second thought, I do not know who namely makes serious decisions here (except Jimbo and ArbCom). I’d appreciate your help if you have some thoughts on it, but if you haven’t, you may drop it completely. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 12:34, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The first place one usually goes is Wikipedia:Requests for mediation After that, if it fails, one goes to WP:ARBCOM. However, the aggrieved party must make the appeal. However, I'm not sure how it will turn out. Requests for mediation usually go fairly well, and are neutral. I'd expect that that place would be the best place to start. RGloucester — ☎ 14:11, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hey

You seem to have deleted my support.[1]Anythingyouwant (talk) 21:14, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I beg your pardon. There were a series of edit conflicts, and that must've accidentally resulted in the destruction of your comment. Please restore it. My apologies. RGloucester — ☎ 21:16, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, it seems Zarcadia is taking care of it.Anythingyouwant (talk) 21:23, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No harm done, I got an edit conflict myself as I was restoring. It's back on there now. Zarcadia (talk) 22:41, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your good edits at Crimea

Hi RGlouceswter: Earlier today I saw your good edits on the Crimea page dealing with Politics. This morning when I looked at the page it was marked with templates and requests to clarify the current military occupation in Crimea and various U.N. votes regarding Crimea. User:DeC appears to be saying that this is the best we can do, "Sometime in 2014 the Russians entered Crimea"? This seems substantially short of the mark. I support your good edit and would support you in returning it in some useful way. FelixRosch (talk) 18:44, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Crimea edit

The referendum was done by non legit officials with nonlegit procedure etc.The whole world is telling that was not legit. So this is not even neutral. If 100countries are telling that it was not legit and 3countries are telling that it is legit because of the corruption. It is not neutral. It would be with different coralation at least 70/30. My opinion.

We can't take opinions here, that's the point. It doesn't matter whether I believe the referendum was legitimate (I do not). The fact of the matter is, we have to present both sides. Please discuss this on the article talk page, not on my user page. Thanks, RGloucester — ☎ 21:56, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft

Good job on the draft, I'll try to help. It seems you already have an IP vandal…that was fast. --Львівське (говорити) 20:29, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not surprising. I've never seen more PoV pushers than with these Ukraine articles, as of late. It is absolutely ridiculous. I appreciate the help. RGloucester — ☎ 20:30, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Single purpose IP that just appeared to come on these articles and push this Russian conspiracy stuff. That he's citing wiki policy like WP:CIVIL and NPOV leads me to believe it's some sockpuppet. Good grief. Sorry for reverting on your draft though, it's just frustrating. (do drafts count as your sandbox or is this public?) —Львівське (говорити) 20:38, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It is considered public, so anyone can edit it. No ownership. I don't think edit warring is tolerated, though. However, I've never seen an instance of edit-warring on a draft before… RGloucester — ☎ 20:40, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
first time for everything ;) --Львівське (говорити) 20:46, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

it's hard to decide where to edit and i dont want to do double the work. maybe this article should be a very parred down version of the DPR article until we decide? --Львівське (говорити) 19:18, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I personally think it should be left alone, as it demonstrates how unnecessary it is to have separate article. If you'd like to pare it down, go ahead, though. Editorial judgement, and all that. RGloucester — ☎ 19:19, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]


regarding your new map, and this was brought up on the talk before, but should there not be a cutoff for what constitutes a protest zone? the issue was that kherson's largest protest was 400 people, which was relatively small --Львівське (говорити) 18:57, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This map doesn't differentiate between protest size. As long as there was a notable pro-Russian protest of some size, I believe it should be noted. The table can provide details on specific numbers. RGloucester — ☎ 19:10, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
in which case, is that one protest notable?

This article implies that the issues in Kherson are notable. RGloucester — ☎ 20:03, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Great

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_war

And now the user UA_Victory starts correcting the casualties and losses according to his POV and deleting the sources. 2-5 lost in battle https://sites.google.com/site/afivedaywar/Home/getanklosses here you have the pictures of for sure more destroyed tanks a more clear source you won't find... 

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrant (talk • contribs) 14:20, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Everything he has done has been sourced. I can't read Russian, so I don't know what your website says. However, destroyed tanks do not equate to human casualties. Regardless, there is nothing I can do about it. You have to constructively discuss the changes you disagree with on the talk page, without making personal attacks. RGloucester — ☎ 14:29, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless the tanks, he is reconstructing the whole article. This guy is using figures from "blogs" which even the Georgian government sees higher -> see the casualties. This guy is a joke and probably even paid just look at the last edits. I'am not interested in discussion with him, anyway this is the best example of propaganda on Wikipedia. It's a real shame about Wikipedia. --Wrant (talk) 14:55, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it has been sourced but he just uses other figures than mentioned in the sources.--Wrant (talk) 15:07, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I understand your concern, but you have to remain civil. Making personal attacks, for example, accusing people of being 'paid' or of promoting 'propaganda' is not going to get anyone to listen to you on Wikipedia. If you really are concerned that the user in question has a conflict of interest, then the proper thing to do is to report him at the conflict of interest noticeboard. The instructions on how to do this are located at that page. If you really are concerned, if your concern is genuine, then you must remain civil, and avoid making accusations that are unfounded. Provide links to the specific edits that you consider to be a problem, and why. Administrators will then be able to evaluate the claims you are making. This is the best help I can provide. RGloucester — ☎ 15:13, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

pro-russia article

Just a heads up, but Cmoibenlepro is adding fake stats (or at least, its not in the sources hes citing) to the public opinion section. The section already cites the IRI stats, and his links go to the new york times, neither mention "identifying as citizens of donetsk" or whatever, it's just made up stuff it seems to me. Good stats from the IRI could be integrated into the above section.--Львівське (говорити) 17:49, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've checked out the references, and they are verifiable. I'll integrate them, and adjust sourcing. RGloucester — ☎ 17:53, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
i'm confused, i checked and it didnt pass the sniff test to me. What page is the 'residents of donbass' thing? --Львівське (говорити) 18:06, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
ohh, i think the way he combined the nyt and iri stuff made me think he was only talking about the iri --Львівське (говорити) 18:21, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it got all muddled up. I tried to parse them out better, so the separate polls have their own paragraphs. RGloucester — ☎ 18:25, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
you da man --Львівське (говорити) 19:02, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 09 April 2014

Stop editing in a manner that is not supported by Wikipedia rules. Obey to process! ArmijaDonetsk (talk) 18:08, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What process? I have the ability to revert changes I do not think are appropriate. RGloucester — ☎ 18:09, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I saw that you have that ability. That is the reason why I asked you to obey to Wikipedia process, e.g. change content guidelines if you want to forbid red links. ArmijaDonetsk (talk) 18:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Getting out of hand

The discussion at Donetsk People's Republic has gone litterally out of hand. It has become the receptable of any kind of comments, really a forum. Where is the line where the freedom to contribute should have an end. I am concerned because giving the right to exist to such an article would equate to give right to exist to everything. Is this right? --Silvio1973 (talk) 10:33, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia isn't based on precedent, so you have nothing to worry about. Haven't you read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS? While I agree that the creation of the article was premature, it has now be realised that the events in Donetsk deserve an article, considering their detail. I don't think the article should be titled Donetsk People's Republic', but an article on the events should. RGloucester — ☎ 13:53, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I give a look to it. Never heard before. --Silvio1973 (talk) 19:01, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I finally responded... (you can read now why so)

Hello, RGloucester. You have new messages at Yulia Romero's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

*drum roll*

The Ukraine Barnstar of National Merit
Thanks for doing what you do. – Львівське (говорити) 20:07, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your repeated content removal

STOP THIS. You did it with link, you were told about it above. Now again [2]. Are you an Anti-European deleter? ArmijaDonetsk (talk) 15:39, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What the hell are you on about? I had had a previous discussion whereby we decided that consensus was against inclusion in the main article, and should instead be included in the timeline. However, as there was a disagreement, I added right back in. I don't know what it is you are talking about, but I hope you can remain civil. RGloucester — ☎ 16:01, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Your reasoning included "hoax", but also a hoax is content. Read WP:NPOV. ArmijaDonetsk (talk) 16:17, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly the closing administrator did not agree, as he deleted the article. I was not the only one to propose that idea. Please stop targeting me for things I have not done. RGloucester — ☎ 16:18, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

ANI

Oh, and be prepared for a boomerang when you post to ANI. Somehow or other, they'll twist your words or take diffs out of context to make you look bad.

And both sides are equally wrong. That's ANI's version of evenhanded. After all, they can't be bothered to look into the history or context of a dispute.71.139.148.192 (talk) 16:53, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't take it personally

I merely think you've gotten too close to the argument. Your contributions are valued.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:17, 18 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Please refer to the talking page

and don't delete user contributes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2014_pro-Russian_unrest_in_Ukraine#Poll

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