User talk:Ironholds

Thanks Ironholds, yes I would like some help to reach the wiki standards for the article, your advise would be very helpful thanks. let me know what I need to do please.

Joan Bozoky

IRC Quotes

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I've just seen this posted, supposedly a quote from you on IRC:

12:59 am <Ironholds> if Eric and Giano didn't have gender discussions to compare to the Gestapo or offend or inflame, they'd find something else, because they are essentially self-centred trolls.
12:59 am <Ironholds> it's not about gender, to them. It's about why is nobody nice to them?

For very personal reasons, I don't often make Nazi analogies, so could you give me a diff for the instance you are referring regarding the gender discussions. I won't comment on your other insults towards me (you're entitled to your opinion) but a diff for the Gestapo would be helpful, as I would be loathe to repeat it - even unintentionally. Thanks Giano (talk) 21:20, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

That would be this one. Ironholds (talk) 22:57, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that does look like one, I shall have to try and avoid that analogy. I'm sure the some members of the Gender Gap workforce would be the veyy last people to try and force their opinions on others. Giano (talk) 07:09, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Giano, I have the deepest respect for the outstanding contributions to this encyclopedia that you have made. I mean that. Thanks. But rhetorical excess, while it can be amusing, rarely enhances collaboration. All your fans and other observers know that you are highly skilled and entertaining in tossing insults. But a fellow skilled in verbal combat ought to remember that he pulled out the "Gestapo" hand grenade only a few weeks ago, shouldn't he? Perhaps you might consider dedicating your considerable talents to dialing down the level of bickering on this wonderful project, instead of cranking it up? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:02, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Funnily enough Cullen, despite what you and others may believe and like to heavily promote: If you look back through the last God knows how many Arb cases, and heated debates on ANI and RFA, you will see the same old names (do I need to list them?) time and time again - all of them pontificating their opinions; however, you will rarely find me because I find most of those things time-wasting and I'm usually disinterested. When something concerns me, you will hear from me, but most Wikipdian matters pass me completely by - and long may that continue. Giano (talk) 08:25, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

really, Giano? Really? You show up here with your mock-severe face on, maturely asking about comments you'd made because they weigh heavily on your consciousness if true, and then reply to the verification of those comments by suggesting that the key attribute of the Gestapo was "forcing their opinions on others", and taking the time to kick the Gender Gap taskforce while you're here? This, right here, is why I consider you a troll. And if you can't understand how I'd reach that conclusion from your behaviour then, well, there's honestly no hope for you.

Yes, when something concerns you we will hear from you; we are aware of that. I, at least, am frankly tired of it, because you always seem to consider volume an adequate replacement for having something substantive to say. I hear a lot from you, in this conversation and everywhere else you loudly - what's the word? Ah yes, "pontificate", thank you - about how important the mainspace it is. About how necessary it is for you and Eric and everyone in your class of user to contribute there, and how much people are harming the wiki by insisting on distracting you by taking issue with things like you making Nazi analogies or deliberately goading and trolling contributors or calling them all sorts of offensive names.

If you really believe that, stop doing it. Stop giving people the ammunition. Spend your energies in the mainspace. Spend your energies not trying to tweak noses just to see if you can get away with it. Consider, even if you think you're perfectly in the right and everyone you hang around with is perfectly in the right, the impact of the methods you pick. Because until then, you don't look like a productive Wikipedian, or a valuable contributor to keep around - you look like a troll with an abnormally large vocabulary. And until you do any of those things, get the hell off my talkpage. I'm done entertaining you, which seems to be all you really think other people exist for. Ironholds (talk) 09:20, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

• Well I do believe it's better to say what one has to here on-site than have to bitch about behind people and stab their backs in the hope they won't get to hear about it. Perhaps I ought to join IRC where I can secretly say what I like to who I like about anything I like, but even there I believe people are kicked out for not towing the official party line. Sadly, I'm not a party line sort of person - what you see is what you get. Giano (talk) 09:33, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

• Yes, you're a rebel and an iconoclast and an independent thinker. You're so cool and individual, with the way you compare womens' rights campaigners to Nazis under a pseudonym!
• I think you need to look up what "stab [one] in the back" means, because that would imply that I've had an opinion of you or Eric in a long time that doesn't match the opinion I expressed there - and I also think you need to explore how you're interpreting my actions given that I've very publicly, and repeatedly, on this wiki, stated that I truly believe you and/or he should be indefinitely banned unless you can stop behaving in the fashion you have been for the last few years. But, it's quite clear from this conversation and from the way you've been behaving on other chunks of the wiki that you really don't care what I think. Which brings me neatly back to: get off my talkpage.
• Oh, but thank you for indirectly confirming that it's Russavia or Kumioko who are publicly logging -en. Ironholds (talk) 09:49, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

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Do not understand

This article includes a list of references, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations. Please help to improve this article by introducing more precise citations. (March 2015)

Does this means that we need to enter few text from the quoted References to support particular line in article? (Karantsingh (talk) 05:11, 4 March 2015 (UTC))

@Karantsingh: which article? Ironholds (talk) 06:01, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Dharam Singh Nihang Singh (Karantsingh (talk) 06:18, 4 March 2015 (UTC))

@Karantsingh: yep; you need to be adding inline citations. Reference no. 4 is a good example of the reuse of inline citations, if you're looking for practical examples of what I'm talking about. At the moment, the section on "Early life and education" is entirely unreferenced, as is the second paragraph of the next section, as is the section "Gurbani research and Sachkhoj Academy". Ironholds (talk) 09:23, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you a lot for the review. --Lagoset (talk) 07:02, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

@Lagoset: no problem! Please do address the tags on the page; let me know if you need any help :). Ironholds (talk) 09:25, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

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Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014

Hi Ironholds, could you please look at starting a page for Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014. TIA 66.185.221.210 (talk) 04:58, 7 March 2015 (UTC)