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Bhtpbank

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07 October 2015

– A checkuser has completed a check on relevant users in this case, and it is now awaiting administration and close.

Suspected sockpuppets


Yet another new editor springs up and displays many of the recognisable signs of our old friend Bhtpbank.

Repeated reversion of an article on the grounds that he is right and everyone else wrong. diff, diff, diff (note; the current version by more than one editor). Classic Bhtpbank behaviour.

Demonstrates familiarity with the 3RR rule by not reverting a fourth time.

A discussion took place at Talk:Blu-ray#‎Video resolution chart. In that discussion, Uk55 continues to argue that his version of the resolution chart is the right one and that everyone else must be wrong. In that discussion it is clear that Uk55 is not a new editor by any means as there is a familiarity with the way Wikipedia works (at least the bits that support his agenda). This was classic Bhtpbank behaviour.

Uk55 accuses others of 'jumping down his throat' when all they are doing is disagreeing with him.

And the clincher which Bhtpbank and nearly all of his socks have resorted to is to make accusations that those who are agreeing with each other must be sockpuppets of each other diff (Original Bhtpbank allegation here). The evidence offered: that they agree with each other and come from the same country.

There is no evidence whatsoever of country of origins in the discussion - only the IP address is geolocatable. Any knowledge of my, I B Wright or DieSwartzPunkt's geographical location can only have come from a previous interaction under another user name. Note also the classic smokescreen of an editor clearly familiar with the workings of Wikipedia by the camouflage of feigning of not being familiar with procedure. Of course, he (and others) fail to get the idea that they are not agreeing with each other, but disagreing with him.

How many new editors of a couple of months standing know about 3RR, sockpuppetry and the tea house?

There are a few other significant pointers, but I will keep those to myself because these can be used against future socks. --LiveRail 12:33, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments


08 October 2015

– This SPI case is open.

Suspected sockpuppets


This is a very clear duck test case.

  • Uk55 is not the new user he is making himself out to be. He has a familiarity with Wikiprocedure and policies that is completely uncharacteristic of a genuine new editor. How many genuine new users know of the editor interaction utility? Certainly next to none know about the three revert rule until it is pointed out (hence the reason behind the warning template).

Uk55 shares a number of characteristics in common with the sockmeister and his established socks which I shall spell out here.

  • A characteristic hostility toward anyone who dares to critisise him. There are several examples but the best one is an IP address editor who posted a 3RR warning to Uk55's talk page. As I see it the warning was a proper posting to make to a talk page when an [apparently] new user is at 3RR and is therefore a good faith posting. The response was hostile and accusatory accusing the IP editor of harassment. Like Bhtpbank, Uk55 clearly does not know that one post, by definition, cannot be harassment.
  • Accuses others of hostility and agreession when it is the other way around. Talk:Blu-ray shows only attempts to discuss rationally and refusal of Uk55 to accept.
  • Making wild allegations of sockpuppetry against editors who attempt to point out where he is wrong. [1] and User talk:Skyllfully#Help with Sock Puppet Investigation. Again something Bhtpbank did [2] (more difs available if you want them). He tries to claim that because some of us appear and then do not post for a day or two that we must be somehow the same person as someone else posting. Some of us do have a life outside of Wikipedia and some of us are expected to show up at the office occasionally!
  • Note: Bhtpbank has specifically targetted myself and LiveRail before when he tried to argue that AC third rail systems were feasible when they are in fact not. (which is why none exist anywhere in the world). This above may therefore be a retaliatory action because he lost that argument.
  • Uk55 gave himself away that he is certainly the sockpuppet of someone (in fact this was the first thing that roused my suspicions - the rest just followed naturally). In his allegation of sockpuppetry, Uk55 claims that the IP address editing at Talk:Blu-ray is located in Britain (actually 2 IP addresses but it is clear that it is the same person with a dynamic IP). He also claims that the other three editors are British. Nothing in the discussion gives any geographical location for any of them. I have no user page and my talk page makes no mention. Similarly for I B wright (user and talk) and LiveRail (user and talk). Uk55 cannot have knowledge of these geographical locations unless he has encountered one, some or all of these editors using a previous identity. As noted he is not the new user he is making out to be, so this is the most likely explanation. I cannot find any evidence that I have mentioned my location for at least a couple of years or so. The editor interaction utlity is not working at present but a manual trawl of edits shows that all have interacted with Bhtpbank in various articles and I suggest that it is quite possible that geolocations have been revealed. I know I have done so, and I know LiveRail is British (because of the company he works for). I cannot comment for Mr Wright.
And when I hit the save button, I see someone got here first! Oh well. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 12:38, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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To clarify, Uk55 mentioned it first in his intial post to that talk page (second para first line) before being told about it. How do you 'come across' the Editor Interaction tool?
So they do. Apologies. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:19, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Cordless Larry: Actually, I came across it when this report was posted - it's the second link. (Edit: By 'this' I mean LiveRail's) Uk55 (talk) 13:44, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

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