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Deletion?

This was originally a dictionary defintion, possibly a copyright violation, which is why it's tagged for deletion. However, I think it's an important topic seeing how it was once a strong philosophical movement in Europe. That's why I rewrote, and voted to keep. But not being a libertine, nor one versed in the philosophy, I defer to others to expand on this. I admit, it's not terribly interesting (or perhaps not accurate) as it stands now, but I believe it could be. Alcarillo 15:52, 5 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

This dictionary definition might with more profit be redirected to rake, one of the stock character pages. ~~Unless someone wants to elucidate here, I'd suggest Wiktionary and making this a redirect.~~ Smerdis of Tlön 15:12, 5 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Orig. dicdef, so I've posted material adapted from the 1911 Britannica. Keep. Alcarillo 15:26, 5 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
- Fair enough. Withdrawing this. Smerdis of Tlön 16:10, 5 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

adding a refference to rake might be good since the lack of content for libertine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.83.75.55 (talk • contribs) 12:38, 12 April 2007

Deleted that stupid link

I removed that retarded link that has nothing to do with the original article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VTNC (talk • contribs) 20:53, 24 March 2007

References in songs?

Amy Macdonald - Let's start a band. Not sure if it is relavent.

92.17.228.21 (talk) 13:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Needs improvement (9/08)

This article is currently muddled--it is not clear from the text whether this is a "concept" (sometimes an epithet), albeit one with origins in a particular time and place, or a coherent philosophy with self-avowed adherents. It is refered to one time as a philosophy, but without further explanation, and then later the L in "libertines" is capitalized, again suggesting (without explaining) that this was a coherent movement. AdRock (talk) 15:01, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pete Doherty

Recently, this guy was added to the list. Though he would probably qualify, there are also at least another dozen more famous rock artist that would have to be added to the list if he is; to make a long story short, should any rock music figures be added? Jim Morrison would be on top of my list if we ever decide to do that. Zazaban (talk) 06:12, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pete Doherty is added to the list because he was or is in a band called The Libertines. As this has no bearing on the subject I intend to keep these removed. No rock musician should be added unless there are reliable, external sources describing him as a libertine. Being in a band that just happens to feature the word "libertine" documents nothing about libertarianism.Wlwwybrn (talk) 12:18, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Libertines

Please, people. There's already a 'see also' link to the band called The Libertines. Stop adding the band's individual members to this page. It's not clever and it's not funny. AlexTiefling (talk) 12:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Added a note. Should at least lower the volume of additions. Zazaban (talk) 02:42, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GG Allin

I put GG Allin in the "notable libertines" section, but it was deleted. I think he should be on the list since it even mentions his libertine beliefs on his page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.220.135 (talk) 12:19, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I put him there at one point and he was removed then, too. It might be that he's not as widely well known as the other people on the list, all of which were fairly notable figures and some of them iconic to the point of having their names adopted into the english language (I.E. Casanova, Sadism). GG Allin was an extremely underground figure. Zazaban (talk) 19:50, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Etymologically Correct Dictionary Definition of "Libertine"

late 14c., "an emancipated slave," from L. libertinus "member of a class of freedmen," from libertus "one's freedmen," from liber "free" (see liberal). Sense of "freethinker" is first recorded 1560s, from Fr. libertin (1540s) originally the name given to certain Protestant sects in France and the Low Countries. Meaning "dissolute or licentious person" first recorded 1590s; the darkening of meaning being perhaps due to misunderstanding of L. libertinus in Acts vi.9. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.157.148 (talk) 05:00, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That would be a very good addition to the article. Do you have a source? Zazaban (talk) 05:20, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It also appears in this book from 1576, but with a meaning different from the current one. gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6261091g/f434.image — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.99.19.5 (talk) 23:35, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But a better source is the libertine entry in the TLFI on the web at the atilf.atilf.fr address, see «Étymol. et Hist» section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.99.19.5 (talk) 23:44, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

AKA as rakes

I deleted that. Unverified. Also corrected the tense in that sentence and removed the word "five", because there are more than five senses. Montedison (talk) 07:01, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Should "atheist" and "freethought" really be in the "see also" section?

What do they actually have to do with libertinism?96.244.85.240 (talk) 19:16, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They don't have anything to do with Libertines. It is my intention to remove them. Nutiketaiel (talk) 08:18, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Modern figures

I removed Silvio Berlusconi from the list of notable libertines. It was supported by this source, which calls him such in a clever headline. I don't think this passes the BLP bar. I see another user previously removed Dominique Strauss-Kahn, which had a similar reference. We should be very conservative about adding modern figures to this list, especially if they're living. --BDD (talk) 20:53, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Libertines

I've added Aleister Crowley to the list (and alphabetized it). I see some discussions above relating to the ongoing issues with this list, and hope this addition meets standards. ~ Joga Luce(t)(c) 09:37, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've added Aphra Behn to the list. She is vital to the discussion of libertinism, especially in regards to women's literary history in the 18th century. Smdaniels (talk) 18:55, 5 September 2015 (UTC)Smdaniels[reply]

"Secret Order of Libertines" hoax

I removed a reference to a "Secret Order of Libertines", because it is evidently a hoax. — Scott • talk 21:29, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Charlie Sheen

Since there seems to have been some disagreement on whether or not Charlie Sheen should be added to the list of notable libertines, I did a quick Google search for the words "Charlie Sheen libertine" and got more than 200,000 hits. Even the most cursory glance reveals no shortage of reliable secondary sources using the term in reference to Charlie. BLP should not be an issue here.2601:6C4:C000:A800:28AA:47F5:A6BA:29D9 (talk) 23:45, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]