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Though Robert Monckton was involved in the expulsion, is it realy necessary to have that mentioned in the first paragraph? It just seems to hurt the mood of the article. Maybe it should be moved to the history section.

why is the histoyry section starting when setllers came? i find that racist. therer is thoudans of years of human history in this region before eurpoen contact.Gavin the Chosen 13:38, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It may seem a bit out of place, but as a former resident of the area, I like that it (Reference to Monckton) is first as it shows the irony of the act as the Greater Moncton area is probably one of the best examples of a peaceful and cooperative French/English communities that I am aware of, if not in the world.
As far as to what degree the natives of NB are spoken of is purely due to not knowing the history of the area well enough to put in meaningful information. If someone has information pertaining to this, they are welcome to put it in.
Oh and BTW, I am born of a loyalist father and an acadian mother so I am a living example of the ability of two cultures to peacefully coexist.

This appears to be resolved... remove the discussion to this item?

Buildings

There are number of communication structures near Bayer's Lake in Clayton Park that are taller than the Aliant tower (which means the Aliant tower isn't the tallest structure in Atlantic Canada, as labelled).
I have too agree with the last comment about the structures in Halifax as oppose to the aliant communications tower in moncton. To start the comment above is true, I myself live in Halifax and would like to make the point clear that Moncton may not hold the record for tallest free standing structure, The radio communcation tower located in Fairview, Nova Scotia (A community outside of the city of Halifax) is much taller than the Aliant Tower (600 feet, 182 meters). but is supported by guidelines and is not in contention due to the fact that it is not "free-standing." But, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia (Halifax's twin city) has an area known as Tuft's Cove. In Tuft's Cove there is a an electrical power plant and on this site are three smokestacks which might be taller than the aliant communcations tower in Moncton. Since there was no information on just how tall the three smokestacks were I decided to use other structures that I did know for example the Macdonald Bridge's support beams are 96 meters in height and when put next to the smokestacks it appears to be much smaller then it.
If someone could find any information on the height of these smokestacks that would be greatly appericated and if I am wrong about them being taller than the Alaint Communications tower, then I will change my comment. However, I have other things to say. To start the Aliant Communcations tower can't be classified in the height of stories due to the fact that it has no floors in it and is a solid structure. It is not classified as a building. Second of all the tallest building in Moncton is, if I am not mistaken Assumption Place, an office building standing at 20 stories (or 80 meters) in height. In Halifax there are four buildings that exceed 80 meters in height and they are
1. Fenwick tower (32 stories) 98 meters
2. Purdy's Wharf tower 2 (21 stories) 88 meters
3. 1801 Hollis Street (22 stories) 87 meters
4. Barrington Tower (20 stories) 84 meters
As you can see in the first building, Fenwick Tower, which is actually residence for Dalhousie University students is 32 stories in height, only 3 stories away from the Aliant Tower (which as I said before can not be classified in stories. My last point is that there are other buildings being passes by city council in Halifax to build an observation tower around 150 meters in height and along with this, a handful of other office buildings that exceed the assumpition place including a 25 story complex in the downtown area.
I have concrete evidence that the smokestacks at Tuft's Cove are each individually taller than the Aliant Tower. Each stack is 500 feet in height (or roughly 157 meters) and the Aliant Tower is only 127 meters. Someone erase the comment on the Aliant Tower stating that it is the tallest structure in Altantic Canada.
If the discussion of tallest structures in the Maritimes includes chimneys/smokestacks, such as the 3 located at Tuft's Cove, then Coleson Cove GS has 2 stacks measuring 183m/600 ft.Plasma east 00:46, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I didn't look into that. I guess your right then Tuft's Cove isn't the largest structure, this Coleson Cove place is. Thanks for the information Plasma East

== [[Image:Picture of Moncton Skyline ==[1]]]Is there anyone who follows this page who might happen to have a half decent pic of Moncton's skyline for the top of the page? Sure the sign is nice... but every other town in the province has one too... mylesmalley 03:09, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Moncton doesn't have a very built up skyline it's just a communications tower and a slighty tall building. Moncton is a very, very small city and the sign is fine for a picture. also take a look at the building section. Only three buildings and one is only 8 stories tall. I think the reason that no one put up a picture of the "skyline" is because there isn't any skyline, a skyline is a group of buildings. You only have one and maybe 2 buildings if you consider the communications tower a building. so good luck with finding a picture.
Err.. right. Well, if you'd ever been to moncton you'd noctice that it does have a fairly nice skyline. And moncton, by maritime standards is a fairly large city, and is expected to easily pass Saint John as the provinces' largest city. The fact that there are only 3 buildings on the list is hardly a complete roster of the city. There are no fewer than 5 buildings over 10 stories, including the Aliant Tower, and Place Assumption.mylesmalley 23:26, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well i didn't mean it in a way that was insulting but apparently your taking it that way. Your right, compared to most other maritime cities it is fairly large (population wise but were not talking about population). A very small high-rise is considered to be a 12 story building or more and to further stress this point: Aliant Tower is not a building it is a free-standing structure. I don't see how you can give something that has no floors and is a communications tower a measurment in stories. I'm not saying it's not part of the skyline in fact, it is the most prominent feature, it's just that it isn't exactly what you would call a "building." Oh, and true i guess i was a bit narrow-minded about the complete roster of moncton's buildings and your right you have 4 buildings at 8-10 stories or more but only one of them is considered a high-rise (Assumption Place). Another point would be that I have been to Moncton and I saw the skyline. Your right for its location (Atlantic Canada) it is certaintly at least somewhat defined but i think that your also being a bit narrow-minded because if you have been to any other city like St. John's, Or Halifax and even St. John (personally I like their skyline better) you will see just how small of a city Moncton is "skyline-wise."
This discussion is ridiculous and doesn't add anything to improving Wikipedia's entry for Moncton. It only serves to illustrate how Halifax and every other small Atlantic Canadian city is peanuts when compared with any of the world cities. The "debate"/comparison about structures and skylines between Halifax and Moncton (or others in the region) merely illustrates how all of the respective municipalities are "big fish in a small pond"! Plasma east 01:28, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, yeah your right Plasma East I'll stop I mean, it's kinda like fighting for 56th place, it's just not worth it.(Theyab 18:24, 27 October 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Education

I think there needs to be some consensus on discussion of Mount Allison University in the education section. I have seen changes flying back and forth for weeks, and I think we need to settle it. It is not important to the article to indicate Mount Allison's rank relative to St. Francis Xavier. If we start doing that, then we will need to rank everything in the entire article relative to other things. Where would one stop? I think that all that's really important is that it's indicated that it is a top-rated institution. --Chriskay 15:06, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, your revision seems to be satisfactory and my only point was to not allow for the original sentence to be misleading, and to note other universities. Obviously I sparked the wrong reaction. We'll keep the edit you made and hopefully everyone else can agree on it. Anyways, thank you Theyab 15:41, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for agreeing with me, although I'm not sure why you would think that it's misleading. It doesn't add to the article to simply point out that something else might be rated higher, in an arbitrary ranking, at that. --Chriskay 18:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, okay perhaps I wasn't clear. I didn't mean to put St. Francis Xavier on a pedestal, I only wanted to add another university name just to add another name to the article to expand and create links to other pages however, looking back, what I put down was in the wrong context and wasn't necessary as I now see that I only created further problems. Anyways, I'm sorry about that and I hope that we can finally move on from the subject. Theyab 18:55, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rolling Stones Concert

"The city lost over 600, 000 dollars to hold the concert. The cost was mainly in part to the "one-time" infrastructure costs. The concert is hoped to attract other acts however, city councillors hope to avoid further expenses for the city"

I can't see what is so bad about this comment. It adds more information about the concert and it's affect that it had on the city. Sure, it's a negative effect but you can't just erase it and ignore the fact that the city lost money. I'm sure that the concert had several positive effects like attracting other acts to the concert site and boosting the local tourism. I suggest that instead of just erasing this comment perhaps it would be better to add other facts about the concert (although I would keep this to a minimum as not to clutter the article). Anyways, I just wanted to say why this comment is relevant. Theyab 22:18, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Theyab: The main reason why I deleted the comment in the past is that the article for Moncton is already fairly long and the comment seemed somewhat extraneous in the context of the section in which it was placed (Greater Moncton attractions). The fact that the Rolling Stones concert at the Magnetic Hill Concert Site lost money is irrelevant to the fact that the concert site in fact exists and is indeed a major asset to the city, providing a venue for major events to come to the city. Regards; MonctonRad
Theyab: I'll give you a couple of weeks to think about how you might like to modify (or delete) your comments regarding the money losing Rolling Stones concert before I take any action myself. Regards; MonctonRad


MonctonRad, Hey, yeah I read the revision you made and I'm glad we could finally reach an agreement. My original intent was to add more information about the rolling stone's concert itself and not the concert site but the two seemed to go together ant it was pretty hard not to mention that most of the money lost was because of the one-time infrastructure. I wasn't tryi ng to bring down the city's reputation or anything but the fact you mention that other concert venues could come to Moncton is a little slanted because the city lost money and as most cities would the city counciller's are trying to save money, not risk money on megaconcerts every year. Anyways that's only my opinion and I'm still glad we could reach a compromise and I'll leave the comment for now. Theyab 20:44, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Host to 9/11 Strandees

Although perhaps not with the visibility of other Canadaian cities such as Gander, Moncton indeed played host to several thousand stranded airline passengers as a result of the 9/11 terror attacks (including my then-fiancee and me). I think this is worthy of mention; perhaps I will add an entry on this in the near future.

There is a comment regarding this in the entry for the Greater Moncton International Airport but I agree that this was a significant recent event and perhaps should be included in the main article regarding Moncton as well. I will give some thought about how best this can be done. Regards; MonctonRad

I am working on adding a "trivia" section for misc. historical data which does not fit into the general history of the city. This would fit into the mix quite well. Moncton has gone so far with this topic as to name a sidestreet to September 11th Blvd.

How relevant is Dieppe/Riverview to this page?

I ask because some are adding items to this page with regards to Champlain Place, Dieppe's city hall, etc. Are these items relevant to a page about Moncton? mctnguy 16:53, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is no article on "The Greater Moncton Area" so perhaps it might be a good idea to create a section that talks about that, and leave all references to Riverview and Dieppe there. It is quite common from people outside the area to say "I'm going to Moncton" and mean they're going to Dieppe to goto Champalin mall. The population section needs a complete rewrite. I cleaned it up, but its also been 2 years since I've lived in Moncton so I can't write on the specifics on what is going on there as far as growth, development areas, etc. --Crossmr 20:03, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That is a good question. Although Moncton, Dieppe and Riverview are three distinct political entities, they function for all intents and purposes as a single community. As such, some information might pertain to the perception of the entire metropolitan area and probably does belong in the Moncton article, even though the content may be more closely tied to Riverview or Dieppe. I agree with Crossmr that most other people in the Maritimes think of Moncton when they talk about Champlain Place, not Dieppe. I think it is valid therefore to talk about Champlain Place in the Moncton article. I also agree that the recently added section, "population", was very poorly written and did not contribute substantively to the discussion on Moncton. In particular, I took offence to the reference to the new Dieppe City Hall, especially when it did not make it clear that this building was in Dieppe, not Moncton. That was inappropriate. I took the liberty of deleting this section. MonctonRad 23:53, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
How is the population growth in Moncton right now? Are they actively developing a lot to accomodate it? If this is the case, it might be worth having a section on it, as it was considered one of the faster (maybe fastest) growing cities in the maritimes for a bit.--Crossmr 17:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Moncton is certainly growing at an upward rate and this is mentioned in the Language and Demographics section of the article. Why would we possibly need a section on population? The population growth of a city does not need an entire section, all it needs is a few sentences in the demographics section. If you continue to add unnessecary sections to the article you will eventually flood it with so much redundant information that it will be hard to see the useful information that the article is giving. Oh, and to answer Crossmr's question, Moncton is part of the second fastest growing center in the maritimes (this includes Riverview and Dieppe. Halifax is growing the fastest). I don't know much about the development Moncton is seeing because I do not live there and I can't find any information to verify moncton's growth. Theyab 19:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, thats why I didn't try to add any information to that section. I'm sure they've made lots of changes in the 2 years since I've lived there. I think as long as we keep up to date on any major developments they make as far as expansion and developing the city goes that should suffice. --Crossmr 03:54, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Separately, Riverview and Dieppe have grown more percentage and population wise then Moncton. So much in fact that it has been surmised that after the 2006 census data is released, Dieppe's Francophone population is expected to decline due to the amount of anglophone people who have moved into the new subdivisions which have sprung up in the past years. And yes, to many locals in Moncton Champlain Mall is for the most part considered in "Moncton" as opposed to Dieppe. But officially it is pretty well on the Dieppe side of the Moncton/Dieppe city land borders

Image problems?

I'm thinking these images probably shouldn't be tagged as self-made. Maybe someone could upload some free replacements or something.

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Ouuplas 21:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Codiac Transit

Does Codiac transit really need its own article? Should we do little more than work it into the Moncton/Riverview/Dieppe articles, mention they're serviced by it and then link to the website at the end of each? It doesn't contain any real information. --Crossmr 07:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Airline Destinations

I am not personally aware of a direct WestJet connection to Vancouver. I think that this reference must be in error. I will therefore delete this. If I am wrong then please correct me in this forum. It would be proper to consider a direct connection to Edmonton however as the WestJet flight to Toronto and Calgary also continues on to that city. I may therefore add this information in. 207.179.172.214 13:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WestJet does indeed fly to Calgary from Moncton direct. I know, because I have taken this flight. Granted it stops in Toronto on the way but it is the same airplane landing in Calgary that took off in Moncton. This would qualify it as a "direct, one stop destination". The same goes for the WectJet flight to Montreal; it is direct one-stop.

It changes flight numbers, therefore its no longer a Direct flight. Sorry pal. 156.34.183.6 05:16, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gunningsville Bridge

I'm not sure about placing a section specific for the Gunningsville Bridge in the Moncton article but there is some interesting trivia here and I will leave this for now. Other comments anyone? MonctonRad 01:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Gunningsville Bridge info can be placed in its own article. Fredericton has articles for the Princess Margaret Bridge and Westmorland Street Bridge. Kirjtc2 01:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's not a reason to create an article. Regardless of what other articles exist, each article has to stand on its own merit. --Crossmr 01:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There's still enough information in the Gunningsville Bridge section to create an article (it's about as long and informative as the Princess Margaret Bridge article as it is), although it needs a copyedit - in fact, I'll do it right now. Kirjtc2 01:57, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Treitz Haus

I don't have a citiation for the information re: the age of the Treitz Haus but this was extensively discussed in the "Times & Transcript" a couple of years age with local historians and staff from the Universite de Moncton being quoted. No one knows the exact age of the building as this information has been lost in the mists of time but there are stylistic features of the building that help to date it to this period. Dendrochronology of the wood used in it's construction also dated from the late 1760's to the early 1770's. As such, the local experts were pretty convinced that the building dated to this era. The reason why this was so thoroughly investigated at the time was that the building had been in poor repair and had been slated for demolition. It had previously been thought to date from the 1820's and therefore would have been younger than the "Free Meeting House" which had previously been thought to be the oldest building. Dating of the Treitz Haus therefore was crucial to its preservation. I am confident in stating that the Treitz Haus is around 235 years old. MonctonRad 11:48, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay look up the proper way to cite a newspaper article add a nonlinked foot note and toss it at the bottom of the page. Anyone who cares to will at least know where that information came from. --Crossmr 15:32, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hard to do because I can't remeber the date of the newspaper article let alone the author, section and page number. This was in the paper a number of times and I am sure on this information however. MonctonRad 17:32, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe someone can get ahold of the Times Transcript and find out. I'm not saying you don't remember properly, just information like that should be sourced in some way. We can leave it up with citationneeded for awhile and give someone a chance to hunt it down. --Crossmr 17:34, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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