Talk:Brett Favre

Ridiculous

"Going around a bend a few tenths of a mile from his parents' house, Favre was going quite a bit over the speed limit when his car went out of control." That sounds so lavished. I was around when that happened, everybody knew - and before he became "the legend" - would easily agree that he was drunk with his brother at the time of that accident. Can I prove it? of course not, only him and a couple people at most would ever know that, but could it be true?...... this somewhats explains why I protest wikipedia's original research policy. Either way I don't feel that what is written is NPOV with the line "Favre was going quite a bit over the speed limit" and will remove, or re-write it and likely due to it and its nature - the entire section, if it is not fixed. Mithotyn 01:09, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Birthplace

Is favre from Kiln? espn says his hometown is Hattiesburg. Tkessler 03:40, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)

fixed the problem. According to his official website and ESPN.com, it is "Born: October 10, 1969, Gulfport, MS" --Anonymous Cow 04:40, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I was under the impression Bret Favre was a woman who fought to reform sexist traditions within the English government. Am I wrong?

Yes. Capitalistroadster 20:52, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• The article stated that the population of Kiln was 50. A local resident stated that it was incorrect. Our article on the town stated that its population was approximately 2,000. Please don't restore the population as 50 given that the source is the 2000 census. Capitalistroadster 20:52, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

whaaat???

i think this should also mention that he has been with his wife since the age of 14 - according to his book

Irvin Favre merged here

Its AFD debate agreed to do so. Johnleemk | Talk 10:49, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Why was his off field troubles detail removed?

I'm a Favre fan, but I think removing that info glosses over the truth. AdamWeeden

I originally added more information about the painkiller addiction two years ago, and have, for lack of a better term, 'put it back'. I believe it belongs in the article, and I believe it belongs in the 'Green Bay' section as something that happened during his time in Green Bay. Skybunny 00:18, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

That's fine. Let's just make sure the same revisionist who was removing the info doesn't do it again.

For your information I am the "revisionist" who removed that...I think it needed a better title...It was originally in its own section but if it's in the green bay section, that should be fine. Sorry about that...I have been one of the main people working on this article from week to week, and I personally didn't think it belonged in its own section.

Understandable. I just don't think simply removing it was the solution. AdamWeeden

Why does the article ignore the fact that Favre was a great QB in the 90s and has been a mediocre QB (at best) in the 2000s?

The overall tone seems like it's written by Favre's publicist. All of his 2000 playoff appearances (and isn't the playoffs what really matters - and his 90s playoff results made him a great hall of famer) involved embarrassing performances. 6 picks vs. the Rams including 3 returned for TDs. 4 picks vs. the Vikings including an incredibly embarrassing one. The game losing pick vs. Philly in OT. All of these poor performances plus leading the league in '05 in ints/passing attempt can not simply be blamed on supporting cast. He may have put up a lot of hollow #s in the 2000s but he hasn't been among the top 5 QBs in a long time.70.16.144.86 01:45, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

1. Your opinion. A rather silly opinion in any case. Isn't it an accomplishment just to make it to the playoffs?

2. Why write an article attempting to smear an otherwise great career?

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WHY did "A new kind of quarterback get removed??????" Who did that? I wrote that and that was a key part in this article! Whoever did that, put it back, and I will write the criticism part of the article since so many people want it. But return it PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-The Revisionist

Uh, Okay

I don't understand why adding the line "widely considered to be one of the best QB's in the history of the NFL" is considered POV when it's near statistical fact. Please, if Joe Montana can have that in his article, I don't see why Favre can't. Until someone points out a reason not to, I'm putting it back.

Recent Events

I renamed this section "family tragedies." Having a section named "Recent..." isn't a good idea since as time passes, its "recency" wanes. If someone wants to come up with a different heading name, feel free. mtz206 05:43, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Good point. Sounds good to me.

Another question

Why no mention of his cameo in There's Something About Mary?Swatson1978 22:33, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Picture

I'm not very technical, but I think this article could use a picture or two of Favre.

Agreed, but the problem is we have to find one that has no copyright issues associated with it. The picture would need to be public domain, or used with permission. Numerous pictures have been added to the article, but all have been removed for not meeting these standards. AdamWeeden 17:02, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

FWIW, the Peyton Manning article uses a Sports Illustrated cover image, which apparently qualifies as fair use (see note in the image's page). --mtz206 18:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm actually pretty sure that using an SI article image like this is not fair use. Looking at the article Wikipedia: Fair use, in the 'What is not fair use' section, I see, as an example:

An image of a Barry Bonds baseball card, to illustrate the article on Barry Bonds. A sports card image is a legitimate fair use if it is used only to illustrate the article (or an article section) whose topic is the card itself; see the Honus Wagner article.

Now, what's interesting about this is, if someone wanted to create an article section or short summary devoted to the December 16, 1996 SI article - in the greater context of Brett Favre - we could probably legimately use this image in that section of the article. But just by itself, it sounds like we can't, and certainly not as the infobox image. I've been looking pretty hard for Favre images myself, and this is not an easy hunt.

I don't suppose anyone's tried writing Brett Favre('s agent) to ask for a GFDL-able image. Skybunny 03:48, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Before posting magazine cover images, please see this discussion regarding whether such use is acceptable under the copyright of the magazine (my understanding is that it is not). --mtz206 00:17, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I removed the magazine cover image as copyvio, see the autograph in the magazine, Thanks Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 00:19, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Jaranda's removal of the magazine cover as not legitimate copyright use. I will leave a message on Microphon200's user page shortly asking that it not be put back again, because I don't want to start an edit war and this page has already been reverted twice for this reason. I have asked Microphon200 to explain his rationale here. Skybunny 05:19, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

2005 Season

I changed:

"Brett Favre had an average season with over 3,000 yards for a record fourteenth consecutive time, but he also led the league in interceptions with one shy of 30."

to

"Brett Favre had a below average season with over 3,000 yards for a record fourteenth consecutive time, however he only threw 20 touchdown passes and led the NFL with 29 interceptions. This gave him a passer rating of 70.9, 31st in the NFL."

Since it struck me as fairly POV to describe his 2005 season as "average", in a section discussing all the problems Green Bay had during the season as opposed to Favre's own poor stats, which are ignored. Barnas 17:12, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Consecutive-game streak

How many seasons has Brett started every single game? The first section in the article mentions that Brett started "every single game played by his team for nearly sixteen straight seasons". But the Records section mentions that Brett "started every game his team has played over the past 14-season period." Clearly, only one of these two statements is true. Considering that his streak started on September 27th, 1992 and that it is now 2006, I'm more inclined to believe that the latter statement is the correct one. Am I mistaken? Brett Favre has started 241 consecutive games, including 20 in the playoffs!

Favre Returns for 2006

It's pretty much official. [1] Cheesehead Fan 03:09, 26 April 2006 (UTC) Brett Favre will return for his 16th and final season as the Green Bay Packers quarterback.

order of stuff

I moved the info on Irvin Favre's death from college stuff to family tragedies. It seemed out of place to be talking about Favre's death in the section where Favre was in college... even though he suffered the attack in the same place where Brett had his accident. --Splent 06:25, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Last Name

I've always wondered why his name is pronouced "Farv" even though it is written "Favre"... Even with my (extremely limited) knowledge of French, I don't understand why "v-r-e" is pronounced "r-v". [I'm not debating the pronunciation, just curious about why...] - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 02:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Simply because he doesn't know how to pronounce his own name. It should be Fav-re.

Kiln

The line that states that the Kiln does not have any paved roads or stoplights is incorrect. There are a couple of stoplights here and the roads are most definitely paid. In fact, the main road through the town is a state highway.

The roads in the Kiln are "paved" ... sorry for the misspelling earlier.

Enough arguing about anything

If something doesn't relate directly to making the article better, please don't argue anymore...this is getting ridiculous, as I have stopped myself from responding again.

The accident

I changed the part of the article where it was describing how his car lost control, as it was quite vague...though that is how I originally wrote it :)

Pictures?

I've personally written about 1/2 of this article...can someone add pictures, because i've been busy with several other articles I've been working on...Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwslassls (talk • contribs) Bold text

Consecutive starts, not just games played

I cleaned up the Consecutive Starts section, but I have issues with the other examples provided. The MLB, CFL and NBA counter-examples all deal with consecutive games played, but not necessary consecutive games started. There is a difference. AC Green, for example, might have just came off the bench for 2 minutes or something. I added a caveat in the article noting this. --MichaelZimmer (talk) 19:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

"media protection" section

This section appears biased in tone, particularly the bit about him "only" winning one Superbowl title somehow being a shortcoming. However, it's biggest weakness right now is lack of cited sources to support the assertion that he is getting the "Dimaggio treatment". Since the basis for this lies in media accounts, it should be supported with them. ---Jackel 20:47, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

As per the WP biography tag, above, material like this must be removed from the article, which I have done. If someone wants to provide primary sourced material with these assertions (e.g., not something someone said on a forum), they would be valid additions to the article. Skybunny 22:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, stuff like that should never be added again. It's biased even with media accounts. Keep it NPOV. --Aviper2k7 23:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

On the other hand, it's clearly true that some sectors of the media are biased towards Favre- see also Peter King. The real question is whether that's notable for an encyclopedia article on Brett Favre, and I don't think it is. Barnas 01:03, 19 August 2006 (UTC)