Talk:Breeder (slang)

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This article was nominated for deletion on 2006/1/9. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Normophillic? Okay, please don't add that word again. A lack of fetishes doesn't define "breeder" or really any term. Lotusduck 21:59, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody needs to remove Cjwright79's contribution. I'm sure animals have made no comments and changing excessive to "ungodly" is just inappropriate 203.5.70.1 08:13, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable sources

Would the Dictionary of English Slang and the American Heritage Dictionary qualify as reliable sources? Both of them have entries on the word.

I am also searching for an article about the origin of the word. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 11:07, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ETA: Also the Phurba Etymologicon, which seems quite academic and well-cited. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 11:15, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article is beyond ridiculous in my view. To the original or subsequent authors: how long did you personally use the terms "breeder" and "non-breeder" among your own friends before you made your contributions? My friends and I used them for over thirty years and not once in my memory were they ever used in a derogatory manner, or to refer to animal husbandry(???). People get offended when they mistakenly apply these connotations to the terms.

Someone correct if this is wrong, but if my memory serves, "non-breeder" was the original slang term, not "breeder", and it was used almost exclusively by gay people as a less clinical way of specifying one's probable sexual orientation. Nothing more. "Breeder" came about as a logical counterpart to "non-breeder", but it was never intended to be disparaging or derogatory, and it certainly had nothing to do with raising livestock. The most infuriating thing about the current article is its lack of hard references to support its claim of disparagement. It exists in the author's mind but I'd appreciate a slightly more objective reference.

If anything there should be a Wiki article on "non-breeder", not "breeder", as that was the original slang term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tslats (talk • contribs) 20:22, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Uncited terms

Other slang terms that revolve around "breeder" are "egg hatcher", in which a woman is concerned about her biological clock and believes she may no longer be able to or never get pregnant. ^{[citation needed]} Slang terms affiliated to men are "bloodline survivalists"; men whose desire to marry or who see their marriage largely to father a son in order to continue their family bloodlines. ^{[citation needed]} "Bloodline survivalism" has been a common theme in only sons, kings, czars, and those who must pass something of value by dynastic succession only. ^{[citation needed]} Arguably the most famous example was King Henry VIII of England, who is largely remembered for marrying multiple times for the purpose of siring a male heir to the throne. ^{[citation needed]}

As these were fact tagged for 9 months (time enough to breed an ego-extension!) i moved them here until sources are found.Yobmod (talk) 13:09, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"breeders" don't necessarily breed

Despite what the first line of the article says, the term "breeder" is used as a general slang term for heterosexuals, regardless of their history or potential in terms of actually having offspring. I know this from experience (hey, it's my slang!), but in the interest of avoiding "original research", I'm trying to find a couple of citations from the internets.

"In general, straight people are commonly called breeders, on account of them spawning little Damien Omen children." -- http://www.rainbowzine.com/component/content/article/1164-a-lexicon-of-lgbt-slang

"A derogatory term for a heterosexual person, especially for who glorifies childbearing." -- http://andrejkoymasky.com/lou/dic/b.html

The Urban Dictionary, which I recognize is not frequently a reliable source for much of anything, does cite the term (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Breeder&defid=126718) as a term for heterosexuals regardless of whether they've bred. Among the many offered definitions: "A heterosexual person. One who breeds with members of the opposite sex.", "slang word for a straight person", "derogatory term to describe heterosexuals, usually when engaged in an extended relationship (eg. marriage) with a partner of the opposite sex.", "Breeder is a slang term (either joking or derogatory) used to describe heterosexuals, primarily by homosexuals.", "a straight person. a heterosexual.", "A heterosexual.", "A heterosexual person. Formerly, this was an insult used by the gay community; it is now mostly used by straight people in a lighthearted vein to (mistakenly) show that they are down with gays and familiar with the culture.", "A derogatory term for a heterosexual. Generally used by homosexuals."

There are myriad other references on the internets referring to "breeder" as meaning "a heterosexual" without reference to whether of not they have bred, will breed, love to breed, breed a lot, think highly of breeding, consider breeding a central part of their existence, etc, etc, etc.

I'm going to make the change in the definition to reflect this.

76.208.69.72 (talk) 22:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In the Sexual Context?

Isn't the term also used in homosexual slang as a way to describe a sexual act? --75.3.158.175 (talk) 16:03, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The act is referred to from the disambiguation page for "Breeding". The only relationship between breeding in gay sex and "breeder" used as a slang is that they both have something to do with homosexuality--I don't think it's really necessary to make a link between the two. I'd figure people looking up the act would look for "breeding" first. --129.237.14.136 (talk) 10:25, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Use of 'Breeder' Among Non-Gay Alternative Groups.

In Inner-City Sydney, among alternative communities, the term 'breeder' is routinely used to describe parents who impose their children onto non-child friendly spaces, such as art galleries or small cafés. On a Saturday morning, parents who manoeuvre a huge pram, full of screaming children into a cramped café are likely to be met with the cry "fuck off breeders!" The term is used by both gay and straight people.

-- I agree with the above comment. As a heterosexual male, I dispute that the term "breeder" is even derogatory. Animals breed. Humans are animals, hence humans can be and are breeders. Perhaps suggesting that "breeder" is a derogatory term that is used as a descriptive primarily said by the LGBT demographic is no longer true, as heterosexuals say "breeder" too. I'm seeing an increasing number of heterosexuals commenting on parents with many kids as being 'breeders'... In any event, to say "breeders" is a derogatory term I believe is biased and not neutral. Breeder is descriptive for animals that breed, which includes humans.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.247.238.113 (talk) 11:18, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In Stargate: SG-1

This term is also used in an episode of Stargate: SG-1, by a culture of (presumably) humans descended from ancient earthlings who, on their home planet, (this is a spoiler, so if you like the series and have not seen Episode 2 of Season 4, stop reading NOW), are at war with others on the surface who they refer to disparagingly as "breeders". Apparently, the people who SG-1 encounters replicate themselves through cloning as all their "kin" in stasis fields have the same facial features. There are implications linking this race (just by association) to the Nazi, via eugenics, and the KKK through race discrimination.

I think it's an appropriate addition to the page, but is such a short article the place for such a reference? In a longer article, it would be under a heading like Pop Cultural References or something to that effect. Any commentary or suggestions?

Xshens (talk) 15:15, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

welfare mother breeder slang

There are many books that talk about how the term breeder refers to a welfare mother having children to get more money. [1] We have an article for welfare queen already. I don't know if any of them count as a reliable source or not. I'm not finding any news articles. Dream Focus 02:37, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions for Improvement

There's a wiki article on cisgender. You can link it when you use the term for the first time. Good job on linking other important terms in the article. Mila ja mila (talk) 01:25, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"which according to some contributes to homonormativity" - you could probably reword this sentence to avoid "according to some".Mila ja mila (talk) 01:28, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are couple of definitions of breeder in The Routledge Dictionary of Modern American Slang and Unconventional English Mila ja mila (talk) 01:47, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Both terms "cisgender" and breeder are highly influenced by pop culture and specifically youth pop culture." I would provide some examples here. It can help understand the significance of the term. You could make make more explicit the link between breeder and pop culture. Belen Sianetha (talk) 18:36, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Assorted suggestions: I am wondering: How can overfocusing be measured? So, at what point are parents considered breeders because they are too focused. Not sure there is a consensus on what constitutes this, so may want to find a different word.Lr270306 (talk) 13:42, 7 March 2016 (UTC)lr270306[reply]

Who considers it immoral potentially?Lr270306 (talk) 13:42, 7 March 2016 (UTC)lr270306[reply]

Because this )breeder) is a term I am left wanting to know the origin. So who was it first used by and when?Lr270306 (talk) 13:42, 7 March 2016 (UTC)lr270306[reply]

“The term was part of a 2006 controversy in the heavily gay resort town of Provincetown, Massachusetts, when petitioners against same-sex marriage whose identity was published complained of having been called "breeders".” This sentence comes off as a little odd to me, I think I need more clarification as to what you are trying to say. Lr270306 (talk) 13:42, 7 March 2016 (UTC)lr270306[reply]

“Heterosexuals have said that the term breeder is offensive to straight people and associated it with heterophobia or degrading heterosexual lifestyles.” I would change this to “some” heterosexuals, because right now it sounds like a given that ALL heterosexuals find it offensive which is not the case.Lr270306 (talk) 13:42, 7 March 2016 (UTC)lr270306[reply]

“The term "breeder" has also been used to describe lesbian parents that partake in reproduction, which according to some contributes to homonormativity.” Who are the “some” referenced here?Lr270306 (talk) 13:42, 7 March 2016 (UTC)r270306[reply]

When explaining how breeder is used for heterosexual people, there is a part that is explained that some heterosexuals are called breeders even if they have children "simply because they are heterosexual." This is very interesting and I might expand upon that some. Why is that, if possible finding an example in a book or article where this can help clarify the situation. Overall I thought the piece was very interesting and informative.