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List of transgender political office-holders

Right now, this article is a mess in terms of consistency and formatting, and some of the countries weren't even listed in alphabetical order until I fixed them - would anyone be willing to convert it into a consistent table format indicating office held, tenures, party etc? thanks Iostn (talk) 07:38, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

Okay, so far I've finished the sections for Asia and Oceania. Let me know your thoughts on the format I put together. Some information, like political party affiliations was a challenge to find because many of these people have no page. I also wonder if it should only be limited to elected officials, or not. Historyday01 (talk) 15:06, 9 November 2025 (UTC) Update: I just finished the South America section. Will keep working on this in the coming days.--Historyday01 (talk) 19:17, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

I was assuming that countries were still going to be subdivided under the continent sections (especially when it lumps in countries that dont have much to do with each other culturally or politically), also I think "office held" and "governing body" should be merged together Iostn (talk) 01:38, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

I would divide it by country, but that could be a problem since some countries only have one trans legislator and others have ten. I suppose office held and governing body could be merged when applicable. Historyday01 (talk) 02:38, 10 November 2025 (UTC) Updated the page, streamlining the entries similar to what I did on my draft page (see the below discussion), but I strongly oppose redividing it by country. That would not help users at all.--Historyday01 (talk) 14:48, 10 November 2025 (UTC) Latest update. Finally finished fixing up this page. It was a lot, but it's finally done.--Historyday01 (talk) 01:27, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Proposed new page

Hello everyone! I put together a draft page in my sandbox today which will be entitled "List of non-binary political office-holders" if it is published. It aims to highlight officeholders who fall under the non-binary umbrella. Let me know if you think this page is robust enough to be it's own page, or if I should merge it into the Non-binary page instead. Thanks and I hope to hear from you all. Historyday01 (talk) 17:51, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

I think much of the answer to that questions is whether significant reliable sources have done articles on non-binary office holders.

(I will say that part of your problem with table width could be alleviated if, instead of having a separate column for "reference", you just put the reference after the gender ID in the appropriate column.)

I would be happier with it as its own page rather than as part of the non-binary page, because this is just one field of endeavor and adding all reasonable fields (enbys in the arts, in science, in sports, etc.) would just flood the page of what should be a fairly high-level topic. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 18:22, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

@User:NatGertler, thanks for replying I agree with you on the page being its own. When you say "part of your problem with table width could be alleviated if, instead of having a separate column for "reference", you just put the reference after the gender ID in the appropriate column" could you explain more? I have two charts below following what I think you mean:

Name	Office held	Governing body	Tenure	Political party	Identity	Notes	Country
Maebe A. Girl	Member	Silver Lake Neighborhood Council	2022-2025	Democratic Party	Non-binary	Girl is the first drag queen elected to public office in the United States. She is a three-time candidate for California's 30th congressional district and the first non-binary person to advance to a general election for a House seat. Girl is non-binary and uses she/her and they/them pronouns.	United States

or:

Name	Office held	Governing body	Tenure	Political party	Identity	Notes	Country	Reference
Maebe A. Girl	Member	Silver Lake Neighborhood Council	2022-2025	Democratic Party	Non-binary	Girl is the first drag queen elected to public office in the United States. She is a three-time candidate for California's 30th congressional district and the first non-binary person to advance to a general election for a House seat. Girl is non-binary and uses she/her and they/them pronouns.	United States

or something else entirely?

I mean the first of your two examples. If the reference is really for the whole row, it may make sense to put it attached to the name, if it's just for the gender ID, to put it with the gender ID... but to have it just as its own column just makes things wider without adding information, and it doesn't even properly cover cases like your example, where two different references are actually used for different things. I'm not sure it will really even save us width given your high-text column, but at least with fewer columns the text won't have to go so many lines, as you can see in your examples.-- Nat Gertler (talk) 05:45, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Hmm. That could work, but my only concern is if we put references in the Identity column, it could make sorting the identities a problem. However, I could just add it to the "notes" section instead. Historyday01 (talk) 13:15, 10 November 2025 (UTC) Update: Here's what that would look like:

Name	Office held	Tenure	Political party	Identity	Notes	Country
Maebe A. Girl	Silver Lake Neighborhood Council Member	2022-2025	Democratic Party	Non-binary	Girl is the first drag queen elected to public office in the United States. She is a three-time candidate for California's 30th congressional district and the first non-binary person to advance to a general election for a House seat. Girl is non-binary and uses she/her and they/them pronouns.	United States

It is much cleaner than having a "Ref" column.--Historyday01 (talk) 13:56, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I quickly found two right here [1], [2], where nonbinary political officials are described as a group - this is a valid WP:SPINOFF of List of transgender political office-holders. Katzrockso (talk) 19:28, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

That was my thought too. I am in the process of updating the page right now and adding all sorts of new entries, partially thanks to the two articles you shared. Historyday01 (talk) 21:58, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

Looks good! (Personally, I'd put country next to political party, in part because the same party names are used in multiple countries, in part because "notes" just seems like a far right (tablewise) thing. But it's not a major concern.) --Nat Gertler (talk) 15:15, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Hmm, that is a good point, but I think the current format works as well. Also, that would push the "identity" column too far right, in the table. Historyday01 (talk) 18:29, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

References

Tiger Tyson

Our article on gay porn star Tiger Tyson could do with some cleanup – unencyclopaedic language and possible MOS:ETHNICITY issues in the lead. GnocchiFan (talk) 21:28, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

Notice of RfC: Gender exploratory therapy and conversion therapy

There is an ongoing RfC at NPOVN on whether gender exploratory therapy should be described as a form of conversion therapy. Editors interested in the issue are welcome to comment. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 16:28, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Zizians#RFC:_Zizians_and_transgender_identity

Need some cluebats plox. Polygnotus (talk) 18:51, 15 November 2025 (UTC)

Rats: The Rusical

Rats: The Rusical and four other Drag Race UK episodes have been nominated for deletion, if any project members are interested in weighing in or making article improvements. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:46, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

Tony Briffa (politician)

The article on Tony Briffa has some things that I think could use more attention from people more knowledgeable than I.

The first is her name, the article currently only mentions her birth name, "Antoinette", in the infobox and in a quote. However, Briffa's website, [3], lists Antoinette first in many places. The "About Tony" sections says: "Although my birth name and legal name is Antoinette Briffa, and I’m better known as Tony Briffa.". From what I understand of Wikipedia's guidelines/practices and Briffa themself, I think the article should stay "Tony Briffa" but lead with something like "Antoinette Briffa, better known as Tony Briffa, is...".

The second is if Briffa is non-binary is not. The article used to describe her as non-binary, but I couldn't find anything where she actually says she is, and this facebook post implies that she does not identify as such. The matter isn't exactly clear though so I felt that it should be brought up here. MRN2electricboogaloo (talk) 22:31, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

I mentioned it on your talk page, but I think the Times of Malta article was the one which made me think Tony would be a good fit on that page. In any case, there should be a section, on some page which notes all the non-binary politicians. Let me copy over what I said there as it may be helpful to other users:

When adding Tony Briffa I was relying upon this source: https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/-Healthy-hermaphrodite-is-both-man-and-woman.556257. I can't access the others because the Wayback Machine is having issues right now, so I can't say about those, but perhaps a section about intersex office holders could be added to Intersex human rights, Legal recognition of intersex people or another page within Category:Intersex rights or another Intersex topic. Unless there are more individuals who are intersex and are politicians, I'm not sure about creating a page for them considering there's only five entries in Category:Intersex politicians. Thanks for your clarifying edit.

Historyday01 (talk) 22:41, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

Tony, who lives in Victoria, says she tried to live as a man for a few years despite being born with female genitalia and being raised as a girl. She also tried to live as a genderless or non-binary person but says it was very hard as people generally insisted on using some sort of pronoun.

From here [4]. May be the source of the confusion.

She most specifically identifies as intersex [5] [6] Katzrockso (talk) 22:42, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

Okay. I haven't seen those articles, but I think the Times of Malta one was the source of the confusion. Should we create a section for intersex politicians somewhere, or is the above-mentioned category sufficient? Historyday01 (talk) 22:51, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

Is there general coverage of intersex politicians as a group somewhere? If not, can probably just be removed rather than moved. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 23:04, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

I don't think there is (apart from the category), unless I missed it on a page somewhere, but I don't think so. But, yes, that entry has been removed from the List of non-binary political office-holders page which I created recently. Historyday01 (talk) 13:43, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

Her birth name shouldn't be included at all unless she was notable under that name (see MOS:GENDERID). Rosaece ♡ talk ♡ contribs 14:13, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

Well, such a change should be made to the Wikipedia page in question then. Historyday01 (talk) 16:37, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Lesbian erasure#Requested move 15 November 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Lesbian erasure#Requested move 15 November 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 12:43, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Gay men's flags#Requested move 23 November 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Gay men's flags#Requested move 23 November 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. --MikutoH ^talk! 20:42, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

Slender Man stabbing

According to the article one of the perpetrators Morgan Geyser identifies as a trans man and uses he/him pronouns ("One doctor revealed in proceedings Thursday that Geyser has now identified as a transgender male, beginning a transition that includes male pronouns — nonfactors in Geyser's conditional release. Court officials continued to refer to Geyser using female pronouns throughout the proceedings and in documentation.") Trade (talk) 03:54, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

Could someone please change the pronouns referring to Geyser from "her" to "he" and keep an eye to ensure that people does not change it back? I dont have time to do that myself since i need to sleep --Trade (talk) 03:56, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

I've made the pronoun swap (alongside various grammatical fixes). Looks like a recurring target for GENDERID-related edit warring, including this edit which accidentally misgendered the Slender Man himself.

I've requested semi-protection, and would ask other Project users to also watch the page. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (talk • stalk) 07:00, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

I mean, are we really so sure Slendy isn't transitioning?

I added the page to my watchlist and will revert any future misgendering that don't get caught by anyone else. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:42, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

• Would someone here be willing to start an RfC on this question? The argument has reached the point of people engaging in wildly irrational arguments, edit warring and harassment. It needs to be settled, but I don't have the spoons to get that ball rolling myself. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 21:08, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

  I just read through most of the talk and WP:BLPN discussions, I'm still confused why this requires such intensive discussion. This seems like a relatively straightforward MOS:GENDERID case. 🌸⁠wasianpower⁠🌸 (talk • contribs) 23:02, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

  I agree. Unfortunately, others do not. I was particularly taken by the notion that we have to use pronouns which the BLP might seem to have so that the police will know who to look for. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:58, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Women in Red discussion

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red#Articles that aren't about women may be of interest to members of this wikiproject. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 04:57, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Harisu

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RD: Udo Kier

This might be of interest: there is a discussion about posting actor Udo Kier (who was gay) in the recent deaths section on the main page Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#RD:_Udo_Kier. I've spent some time improving that article by adding sources. Thoughts? Periwinklewrinkles (talk) 23:48, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

Still trying to get him posted in recent deaths, created a new nomination for that. Periwinklewrinkles (talk) 04:10, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Category:LGBTQ rights by year

I created categories to sort this out by decade because it seemed too cluttered and confusing. Does this make sense? The history category could use the same to help sort it down better. ← Metallurgist (talk) 07:34, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

I think it's agood category to have, yes. Though it seems like it would be better named as Category:LGBTQ rights by decade, as that's a more accurate name for what it's doing. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:25, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Requested Move for M. Gessen

I have created a Requested Move discussion for M. Gessen to adhere to MOS:DEADNAME. Would appreciate if people could give their feedback to update the title of the page efficiently and easily. ty! Lacanic (talk) Lacanic (talk) 00:05, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

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Malay speaker needed

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"Image" at Talk:Will Byers

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