Talk:Hardline (subculture)

The previous article bordered on stub status and suffered from some language difficulties. I'm intimately familiar with Hardline's history so I took the liberty of doing some serious revisions.

impressive!

Very thorough and a huge improvement over the previous article! I don't think it's necessary or positive to mention full names, though, what with security culture concerns and all. I also think that the involvement of Micah and the Cincy chapter should be mentioned, since they are so very vocal these days.

Lacks criticism

This is an obvious case of "until the lions have historians, tales of hunting will always glorify the hunter". There are quite obvious language problems here and a lack of historical analysis of what Hardline was, where it came from, why it fizzled out.

hardline is really the source of grafting "vegan" and "straightedge"?

it seems that some mention should be made that ian mackeye -- the lyricist almost universally credited with outlining the straight-edge movement -- is, in fact, a vegan, as is (auspiciously) the rest of fugazi. i'm not sure if that pre-dates rat and muttaqi (and we may never know, because it seems mackeye seems to have pretty heavily distanced himself from trying to define his straight-edge beliefs), it certainly seems to make the discussion murky. since mackeye is vaguely critical of more radical straight-edge movements of which hardline is an extreme example of, it seems unlikely that he would have been directly influenced by the latter. this doesn't mean that mackeye can be credited with every aspect of straight-edge, but if someone can find a citation that talks about this, i think it has a place in the straight-edge/vegan origins discussion on this page.

71.56.70.127 07:24, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I must say too, it's a very complete and thorough presentation. I am discovering this movement, and I must say something is definitely not clear to me. This is supposed to have derived from Straight Edge... So, straight edge is supposed to be linked to anarchism, socialism political ideas. And yet I find this "Hardline" thing totally opposite. The complete adoration of nature leading to pro-life (therefore against women's choice) a complete opposition to basic socialist or anarchist humanism.

As stated above: this has NOTHING to do with anarchist. I am removing it from the Category:Anarchism. Cacuija (my talk) 06:22, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There was never anything political about the straight edge philosophy. It was always just an individual lifestyle choice, nothing more or less. This hardline thing destroyed that definition by taking the principles and creating a cult-like mentality. I don't know how or really why one would become a "hardliner", but any way it seems like a big load of conformist dogma.

need disambiguation page for "hardline"

Hi,

I ran into "hardline" while researching cellulose insulation for a historic house. A testing lab mentioned that it tests "hardlines" and "softlines." Apparently these are business jargon for the older expressions "hard goods" and "soft goods." But I could not find a clear definition using google's define: or using answers.com.

I haven't time to go to glossarist.com or bartleby.com.

--Bob

Hard-line vs. Hardline

I'm moving this article from its current title (Hard-line) to Hardline. As far as I know, hardline is a non-hyphenated word, and most literature about the hardline movement I've read tends to omit the hyphen. Even the text of the article itself doesn't use the hyphen. Ecto 01:21, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]