Talk:Hills Hoist

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Patent Drawing

Does anyone know if we could put this in the article? ...maelgwn talk 00:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing

The article doesn't detail the specific qualities of a hills hoist until almost 2/3 of the way through the article (in the features section). And it still doesn't make it clear what is the distinquishing feature; i.e. what makes hills hoist different than its predecessors. Pimlottc 15:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References

This statement -

It is widely (and incorrectly) believed by the public to be an Australian invention.[2] However, other Australian and American precursors existed decades before it was produced in 1945 in the Adelaide suburb of Glenunga by Lance Hill.[3]

Refers to ref 2 and 3, yet there is no evidence that it is *not* an Australian invention. To that extent, the "(and incorrectly)" should be removed unless there is a reference to that effect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.96.74.125 (talk) 09:58, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, references 2 and 3 (see [1] and [2]) seem to contradict reference 1 (see [3]). So which is correct? --Joelster 23:09, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedit

I've copyedited the article to:

remove advertising links and text;
improve chronological order in the history section;
remove repetition of Lance Hill being the inventor - this is an important and referenced point but it need not appear four times; and
remove duplication of the benefits of Hills Hoists as well as some original research.

Any opposing views or comments about the rewrite are welcome - I'm, happy to revisit any point.

However I'd ask the advertising spam not be reinserted. A US marketing campaign to encourage people to buy clotheslines has relatively little to do with this article, and the constant addition of links to sites whose principal function is to sell products is a breach of Wikipedia's external links policy. Euryalus (talk) 07:25, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

External links

All of the external links in the article are essentially advertising - that is sites whose principal purpose is to sell particular products. None provide information beyond what is in the article and there seems to be an ongoing campaign to add additional links especially from the US, to promote local suppliers of washing lines.

I have removed the advertising links per WP:EL. This includes the original hills.com.au, which relates to the company Hill founded but is essentially an advertising site. I contend in removing this link that the article is not about the company but the concept, and therefore the company homepage does not of right deserve inclusion on the page.

Any other views? Euryalus (talk) 03:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

did lance hill have any kids??????? please tellss me!!!!!!! thanker cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.223.20.4 (talk) 01:14, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No idea. How is it relevant to this article? Euryalus (talk) 01:37, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

did lance have any siblings please tell me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Altering Hills hoist page

Gilbert Toyne invented and patented the classic Australian all-metal clothes hoist in 1925. In fact the Hills Hoists company made a direct copy of this patent (which by 1947 had expired) for their first wind-up clothes hoist. Do check out Gilbert Toyne’s patent no. 24553/25 on AusPat. <http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/auspat/index.htm> This was his third clothes hoist patent and is significant as it has the crown wheel-and-pinion winding mechanism that has often been incorrectly attributed to Lance Hill. Casonline (talk) 08:07, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]