Talk:German nationalism

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It claims

I think the statement in the lead that German nationalism "claims that Germans are the ethnic, cultural, and linguistic descendants of ancient tribal Germanic people" is problematic. I doubt that all forms of German nationalism claim this. I would like to be sure that Kellas claims this to be a defining characteristic of all forms of German nationalism, and I would like to be sure that Kellas view is the fully representative so that it can be presented in the voice of wikipedia as "it claims" instead of "Kellas argues".·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 00:50, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What do you propose the intro say instead?--R-41 (talk) 02:57, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That depends on what the source says, and what other sources say is the defining characteristics of German Nationalism. Unless all sources agree that the ideology of Teutonic origins is essential to all German nationalisms then it probably shouldn't be in the lead. If Kellas is talking about a particular stage of German nationalism (which I think he probably is) - for example the 19th century one - then the claim should be situated in the relevant section and not presented as a general claim, but attributed to him.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 12:32, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed it for now, unless more sources can be found to verify it.--R-41 (talk) 15:12, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Could you perhaps give the quote by Kellas in its context? That would be easier to evaluate. You can also leave it in in which case I'll just have to track down the source myself and see if I agree with the characterization of its argument.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 15:14, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

post WWII ?

not that much about post WWII — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.5.184.243 (talk) 10:19, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, this page really should have more information about modern German nationalism. Charles Essie (talk) 20:05, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

When did it begin?

The start of German nationalism may be a highly controversial issue whose solution depends on the definition of the word. The definition used in the first sentence of the article may be correct. But then, German nationalism did not begin in the late 18th and early 19th century but in the 15th century as is already mentioned in some parts of the article. Especially the early 16th century was the heyday of German nationalism promoted by writers like Conrad Celtis, Jakob Wimpheling, Ulrich von Hutten or Lazarus von Schwendi. -- Orthographicus (talk) 17:12, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First sentence

I'd like a verification for that first sentence in the lead, since I would find it bizarre if a book actually described nationalism that way. Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 18:57, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the first sentence needs to be "Germanic peoples" or "Germanic speaking peoples" instead of the word "German" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 40.133.241.93 (talk) 17:48, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why was the 1945-present section completely deleted?

What's the reason? I know a lot of Germans are severely guilted post-1945, but surely nationalism still exists?