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US Military Map of ISIS

We have a prohibition on maps: 2- Copying from maps is strictly prohibited. Maps from mainstream media are approximate and therefore unreliable for any edit. Maps from amateur sources are below the standards of Wikipedia for any edit. They violate WP:RS and WP:CIRCULAR.

This prohibition was put in place last year because of amateur maps on Twitter and other online venues that are generally not regarded as reliable and accurate sources of information. Now I would like to draw to your attention to this map. This map is produced by the United States Department of Defense, who opposes ISIL. Although the map is admittedly inaccurate in certain frontline areas, it shows a variety of locations held by ISIL which are not marked by our map. Such areas include sites along the Iraq/Syria border, and areas between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. I ask the community: should we be able to use this map, which is anti-ISIL and from an official military source, to make constructive edits on the Syrian and Iraqi maps? I think we should be able to use it for some locations. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 04:08, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This map is very outdated as it appears that it shows the situation in April 2016, not in July 2016. Regards,131.188.48.178 (talk) 13:51, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless of age, it is their most recent map, and it shows critical ISIS locations near al-Qai'm in the desert. Is that not worth displaying? Pbfreespace3 (talk) 03:43, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
al-Qai'm is in Iraq and not in Syria, right? The IS positions in Syria that are near al-Qai'm are - according to the Department of Defense map - all at the Euphrates river (such as al-Bukamal etc.). But these locations are already IS held according to our map. The US map also shows al-Tanf border crossing to be under IS control, but it has been taken by "New Syrian Army" recently. So I don't think we should add any locations based on the Department of Defense map. 131.188.48.178 (talk) 14:15, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

al-Aslaha

al-Aslaha in Suwayda is rebel-held

3bdulelah (talk) 20:11, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

We're not able to change the status of this town since both archicivilians and Step News Agency are noted pro-rebel sources. I tried to look for other sources, but I can't find any. Until we can find some better sources, the town won't change. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 02:57, 5 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Al Aslihah taken the SAA.link Mehmedsons (talk) 14:16, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rusheidah a border-crossing or al-Masdar reliability?

I know it's not the right place for it, but I am frustrated when I see a rubish of an article (one must say bullshit), on a page which is taken as serious source (ok, tendentious, but serious)... Since yesterday there is an article from Masdar about a fuel convoy belonging to ISIS, which was destroyed by Syrian Air Force: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-fuel-convoy-destroyed-syrian-air-force-near-iraqi-border Allegedly the second one in a few days. Even they put a map to show the location, it seems they take their readers for fools. The incredibility of nearly every detail in this small artice would let me loose my trust in Masdar or at least in Leith Fadel, the author of the article. When the author writes that Rusheidah, which is - as mentioned in the article! - in the Swaydah-province and that it is a "imperative border crossing" to Anbar in Iraq, one must ask himself, if the author has ever take a look at map: Not only Swaydah has no border to Iraq (in fact is the border-crossing to Jordan!), but one must first travel out of the province, then through Damas-province, then Homs-province to arrive to the nearest border-crossing to Iraq. One must also ask, what a ISIS-fuel-convoy is doing near Rusheidah (which is government held)... In the whole area there is no ISIS (exept of this new little town al-Shi'ab on our map...). There is simply no possiblity to arrive to this region for any ISIS-convoy and there is also no need for ISIS to supply they little presence there with a convoy... I mean: From where did this convoy come? From Jordan? From rebel-held Tanf?? Or from government-held towns? And in any case, the the article would loose its sense. The article seems so be nothing than an attempt to boost moral of pro-government readers (as is of course Masdar as a whole), and without generalizing, but this article is really beneath any level of credibility... Mughira1395 (talk) 16:26, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Al-Habsawi west to Ayn Issa

According to this: https://twitter.com/Step_Agency/status/751435748075864064, SDF retook control over Al-Habsawi west to Ayn Issa.Mughira1395 (talk) 17:46, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Damascus map

The Damascus map is a bit odd. Unlike the rest of the map, most of the Damascus map doesn't show anything when you hold your cursor over the dots (so you don't always know which town/contested area is which). Also, only the East Ghouta area is being updated regularly. The West Ghouta pocket (just south of Mezzeh airport) is very out of date. That unnamed purple dot is Moadamiya, which is rebel-controlled but under truce, but Darayya just to the right of it is an important contested city where heavy fighting is going on right now and has been going on sporadically for months, and yet there's no dot to indicate that the city even exists, let alone that it's currently an active battlefield. Moreover, the Moadamiya/Darayya area is presented as one contiguous rebel territory, but in reality the two cities have been cut off from each other for months (since somewhere around January/February 2016; every new map since then shows them as two separate areas with government-controlled territory between them). There is no contiguous rebel territory there anymore, just two cities with the government controlling the outskirts, so the green oval background surrounding them should be completely removed, leaving just a purple dot for Moadamiya and a contested green/red dot for Darayya. This would make it accurate to the maps routinely shown by al-Masdar and other media sources. This is a great map overall, and it should strive to be as complete, up-to-date and accurate as possible.

Here are two maps from al-Masdar of the Darayya area, the first from April 2016 and the second from June 2016: https://media.almasdarnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/1234.jpg

https://media.almasdarnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Darayya-map.jpg Kawada Kira (talk) 02:44, 9 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree this area is being poorly managed, as of today the area has been halved again meaning the current representation on this map is around 3-4 times bigger than the terrorists currently hold, also the area south of this with a big green patch with government held buildings in this massive patc?? what is this area w3hy is it green when Govenrnment have captured a lot of buildings and defences here: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-seizes-half-darayya-rebel-defenses-fall-apart/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.84.76 (talk) 12:03, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Aqra mountains 10 km south of Manbij

@Beshogur: Please do not add (or re-add) unreferenced or poorly referenced information to articles or any other page on Wikipedia as you did here. Thank you. Erlbaeko (talk) 14:03, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced? Those villages, or mountain hills were before sourced. Beshogur (talk) 14:11, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Where is that source? Erlbaeko (talk) 14:12, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Erlbaeko, I think you're looking for the pro-Kurdish and reliable source Chuck Pfarrer. He was in the Navy SEALs (elite American combat unit) for quite some time, and he's very knowledgeable on military strategy. He shows those areas as under ISIS control (he hated ISIS and thinks they should be eliminated). I think the view of Beshogur is correct in this case, and my view (which is that area should be shown as ISIS-held) is correct because it is based on a pro-Kurdish but also reliable source. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 23:57, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but we can't use the map as the only source and the "Aqra mountains" are not mentioned in that tweet, nor is the Qur'a village. Erlbaeko (talk) 06:07, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Removed Qur'a Saghira, Qur'a and Aqra mountains. Erlbaeko (talk) 12:24, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That tweet says that "IS has fallen back to Jubb al Katshil". I can't find that village on the map, but if you can, feel free to add that. Erlbaeko (talk) 12:24, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

He is probably talking about the village Jubb al Qatashli located 2-3 km northeast of Hamir Labidah. That is 4 km southeast of the "Aqra mountains". Erlbaeko (talk) 13:43, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Erlbaeko actually they were perfectly sourcedcheck diff but it seems you just "dont want to find the source",this is not the first time you are removing places without a reason,next time if you cant find the source in the module then take the issue that you have here to the talk page instead of removing.Lists129 (talk) 14:33, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I remove villages close to the frontline, if I can't find any source. Note that the burden is on you to demonstrate verifiability if you restore material. Erlbaeko (talk) 14:49, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Need a new map only for Aleppo & skirts

Don't you think its time to create a new template map only for Aleppo? The actual big map can not schow detailes information abou Aleppo. Who can make a good solutiuon?

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