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Popular pages report[edit]

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RfC: Population Density[edit]

Due to the fact that many articles use various ways to figure out population density, should there be one set calculation to figure out population density? —JJBers 16:04, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Option 1 Option 2
Population ÷ Total area = Population density

Used by older article bots and Settlement Infobox. Common on many articles.

Population ÷ Total land area = Population density

Supported by some sources, and used by Featured Articles.

Survey[edit]

  • Neither We shouldn't be making the calculation. That would be WP:Original Research. Rather we should choose a single credible WP:Third-party source for all cities or for each country if there is not single source for the entire world. If no source for the statistic, then we should not enter a statistic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iloilo Wanderer (talkcontribs) 23:00 30 May 2017 (UTC)
  • The calculation itself doesn't count as OR, but the decision as to what formula to use does. TimothyJosephWood 18:04, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Neither, as per Iloilo Wanderer's remarks. All data are covered by WP:NOR. Borsoka (talk) 03:28, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Get it from a source if you can North8000 (talk) 17:23, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

  • I'm not 100% familiar with this topic, saw this was an RFC and decided to comment. Is there a difference between total area and total land area? Is total area including all of the non-habitual places, such as waters, high mountains, etc? Is land area only including the land? If that is correct, then I would support the total land area / population = population density. Tutelary (talk) 15:44, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
  • I believe that total land area includes high mountains, but not water. — JJBers 15:49, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Then I do think we should go with that. While I'm not sure if everyone lives on the mountains, I'm sure water-houses are a rare thing, not attainable for most. Tutelary (talk) 17:35, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
  • I support using the land area to determine population density. Any places that do have housing over water likely won't have anything close to a number of such housing to affect the total density. --JonRidinger (talk) 18:41, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
  • It's not area/population, but population/area which gives population density on a given area (settlement).--Vin09(talk) 13:24, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
Fixedhike395 (talk) 10:28, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Statistics are very tricky, even seemingly simple statistics like this, as this RFC proves. What is included in "area" (mountains, water, marshland)? What is included in "population" (illegal immigrants, students, military, temporary residents, missionaries away)? "There are three types of lies in the world: lies, damned lies and statistics" (supposedly Disraeli, but look up the quote for its questionable history). That is why we use third-party sources. Let statisticians and statistical agencies answer these questions. They have been debating them much longer than any of us. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 02:59, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Maps again[edit]

Be sure to check out the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline#Adding dual-maps displaying both the Contiguous United States and the city's State. I know the issue was discussed here two years ago, so I'm guessing it will get a similar response, but it's nonetheless being discussed again. At issue is the inclusion of state and national level maps in the infobox, especially now that the display parameter can show multiple pushpin maps in the same spot. --JonRidinger (talk) 23:59, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Template for city wikicode split[edit]

Is there any template out there already that will take a input such as "Paris, France", and subst it out for "Paris, France", couldn't find on my own, thanks if anyone knows. WikiVirusC(talk) 01:46, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

On whether the Newtown, Connecticut template should be mentioned in the Sandy Hook shooting article[edit]

Please see: Talk:Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#Newtown, Connecticut template WhisperToMe (talk) 13:18, 7 August 2017 (UTC)