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Request Assistance for editing City page.[edit]

We request that the lead on this page be rewritten to more closely approximate a Featured Article, specifically that historic events should only be briefly summarized in the lead and their should be more about the contemporary city. I am representing the City of Franklin local Government. Below is the request for proposal. This was turned down citing it was too promotional and cited the city website, but the city website is cited only once and all the other information is factual from the US Census and other news sites. I followed the format of many other cities. Thank you in advance for any assistance one can provide. TennesseeTex (talk) 15:46, 6 March 2019 (UTC)TennesseeTex

Extended content Franklin is the 7th largest city in Tennessee with a population of 78,321 according to population estimates from July 1, 2018 and is part of the Nashville Metropolitan Area.[1] (https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/franklincitytennessee/PST045218 United States Census Bureau, Quick Facts, Franklin city, TN) The City of Franklin was ranked 8th fastest growing city in the nation by the U.S. Census Bureau growing 4.9 percent between July1, 2016 and July 1, 2017. [2](https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2018/estimates-cities.html United State Census Bureau, “Census Bureau Reveals Fastest-Growing Large Cities, May 24, 2018 ) The median age in Franklin is 38.3, with a median household income of $85,149 [3] The City is located approximately 20 miles south of downtown Nashville and is the county seat of Williamson County, TN. [4] Williamson County is well known for some of the highest ranked schools in the country and top graduation rates in the state. More than 54 percent of residents hold a bachelor’s degree or higher. [5]

Cool Springs, a business district within the City of Franklin is home to several fortune 500 headquarters, many in the healthcare industry. [6] (https://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2009/states/TN.html CNN Money, Fortune 500) Franklin is home to a satellite campus of Tennessee’s first community college, Columbia State. It is a two-year college, serving a nine-county area in the Middle Tennessee area. Columbia State opened their first campus in Columbia, TN in 1966, they opened the Williamson/Franklin campus later near Franklin High School, but built and opened a brand new Franklin campus in 2016.[7] (https://www.columbiastate.edu/athletics/news/2014/07/22/columbia-state-breaks-ground-on-williamson-campus)

The Harpeth River flows through the City of Franklin and has several canoe access points within City parks. The river is popular to fish and paddle.[8] [9] Franklin has more than 700 acres of park land divided into 16 parks that include historic parks, passive parks and athletic fields.[10] The City of Franklin was founded October 26, 1799 by Abram Maury Jr. who was also a State Senator and named after Benjamin Franklin, a close friend of Dr. Hugh Williamson, a member of the Continental Congress for whom Williamson County was named.[11]

In 1908 the Interurban railroad (an electric train) was completed and ran from Franklin to Nashville and carried both passengers and freight. The train converted to gasoline in 1942 and ceased operations in 1969.[12]

Downtown Franklin is nationally recognized for historic preservation and is well known for it’s quaint Main Street and is part of the nationally known Mainstreet Program[13] and Civil War tourism. (https://williamsonherit age.org/preservation/, Williamson Heritage Foundation Preservation Program. ) In 1864 the Battle of Franklin took place. Community leaders have preserved several landmarks including the Carter House, Carnton Plantation, and several portions of the battlefield over the last 15 years.[14] The town square is home to a confederate monument that was erected in 1899 on the 35th anniversary of the Battle of Franklin by the United Daughters of the Confederacy. [15] In the last couple years a group of pastors and historians along with City government have moved to tell the “Fuller Story” about the Civil War to include the experience of African Americans in the City. Historic Markers will soon be placed in the town square telling the stories of a Market House where slaves were sold, Reconstruction after the civil war, the Franklin Riot of 1867 and the U.S. Colored Troops. There will also be a statue erected near the courthouse of a USCT soldier.[16] The group was inspired by a national tragedy in Charlottesville, Virginia.[17] [18][19]

References

"Tennessee Demographics by Cubit". https://www.tennessee-demographics.com/cities_by_population,. Cubit Planning Inc. Retrieved 1 March 2019. External link in |website= (help)
"United States Census Bureau". United States Census Bureau-Quick Facts. United States Census Bureau. Retrieved 1 March 2019.
"Community Profiles". Williamson Chamber Inc. Williamson Inc. Retrieved 1 March 2019.
"Map Quest Franklin description". MapQuest. Mapquest. Retrieved 1 March 2019.
"Williamson Chamber-Education". Williamson Chamber. Williamson Inc. Retrieved 28 Feb 2019.
"CNN Fortune 500". CNN. CNN. Retrieved 27 February 2019.
"Columbia State Breaks Ground on Williamson Campus". Columbia State. Columbia State Community College. Retrieved 1 March 2019.
[www.harpethconservancy.org/programs/recreation/accesspoints "Harpeth Conservancy Recreation"] Check |url= value (help). Harpeth Conservancy. Harpeth Conservancy. Retrieved 1 March 2019.
) "Trout are back in Harpeth River" Check |url= value (help). Franklin Home Page. Franklin Home Page. Retrieved 1 March 2019.
"City of Franklin Parks". City of Franklin. City of Franklin. Retrieved 25 February 2019.
"Franklin Description". MapQuest. MapQuest. Retrieved 28 February 2019.
"Interurban Waymark Sign". Waymarking.com. Waymarking.com. Retrieved 1 March 2019.
"Main Street Program". Williamson Heritage Foundation. Williamson Heritage Foundation. Retrieved 1 March 2019.
"American Battlefield Trust, Restoring a Battlefield". American Battlefield Trust. American Battlefield Trust.
Gregory Wade (September 1,2011). "Franklin's Iconic Confederate Statue". Franklin Home Page. Franklin Home Page. Retrieved 1 March 2019. Check date values in: |date= (help)
Emily West (February 26, 2019). )history-markers-franklin-public-square/2998466002/ "Final Approval: African-American History Markers will go in Franklin's square" Check |url= value (help). The Tennessean. The Tennessean. Retrieved 1 March 2019.
Emily West (January 17, 2019). [(https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/williamson/2019/01/17/franklin-tn-confederate-statue-group-shares-slavery-civil-rights-history/2536980002/ "Franklin Confederate Statue Group shares slavery civil rights history"] Check |url= value (help). The Tennessean. Gannett.
Kerri Bartlett (August 14, 2018). "Three Preachers and a Historian tell fuller story by proposing Civil War monument, markers on slavery". The Williamson Herald. Williamson Herald.
"The Fuller Story". Tennessee Holler Youtube Page. The Tennessee Holler/City of Franklin TN.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by TennesseeTex (talk • contribs) 22:09, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Reply 1-MAR-2019 Breezeicons-emblems-8-emblem-unavailable.svg Unable to implement It is agreed that the current state of the lead section is poor, in that it inordinately focuses on one aspect of the city whilst leaving out passages of text which might go further in satisfying the lead section's summative requirements. The COI editor's response to that problem is equally poor, in that they have proposed text which is insufficiently paraphrased from the source material — much of it being promotional materials taken directly from the City's web portal, with only a cursory attempt at rewriting what was taken. The required changes which are needed are clear. The different sections of the article ought to be summarized and placed into the lead section in order to assist readers in their perusal of the article. This lead section ought to be balanced according to the weight of what reliable sources say about the subject — ideally, a mixture of the good along with the bad and the historical along with the contemporary — all in an effort to achieve an evenly-WP:WEIGHTED article. To begin, I would recommend taking these issues to WikiProject Cities in an attempt to garner assistance and feedback from the editors there. Regards, Spintendo 00:20, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Ottawa for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Ottawa is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Nomination of Portal:Geneva for deletion[edit]

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Singapore[edit]

Singapore, an article of interest to this project, has been nominated for Good Article. It seems possible for it to become a Good Article, though it needs tidying up. If anyone is interested in helping out, see the review: Talk:Singapore/GA3. SilkTork (talk) 16:25, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Nairobi for deletion[edit]

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Kolkata review[edit]

I have nominated Kolkata for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. DrKay (talk) 08:11, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Census-designated places "may not precisely correspond to local understanding of the area" in the lead[edit]

I'm starting to see that phrasing or something similar appear in the lead of various United States census-designated place articles.[1] I decided to also add it to a couple pages before I was asked about it on my talk page.[2] So has there been an actual discussion that we can point this editor to? If not, I guess my preference would be that we should probably make it clear that any Census figures in the lead do reflect how the U.S. Census Bureau defines the area, not the local or common understanding, or else we may mislead readers (I'm sure many of you living outside the United States never heard of what a census-designated place was before joining this WikiProject, and how CDPs could either be larger or smaller than the common understanding of the area). Thanks. Zzyzx11 (talk) 01:11, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Here is the best discussion I have seen - WikiProject Cities/US Guideline|US cities RFC April 2015 - CDPs are a way to learn about the population of an area as established by the Census bureau but the community where they are counting people existed before they labeled it and will exist after they eliminate that particular CDP label. The statement you point out is in the RFC which accompanies it with For statistical purposes, the United States Census Bureau has defined Foo as a census-designated place (CDP) to explain why that community has been redefined by the census bureau. Also the first sentence in the lead would be "Foo is an unincorporated community in Foo County, Foo State, United States." Fettlemap (talk) 02:09, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
@Zzyzx11: Any census data really should reflect the census definition of the area. How else would the census data be derived without original research? The purpose of CDP designation is to allow comparisons with other urbanized areas. Since the places are unincorporated, there is an element of arbitrariness in how the boundaries of a CDP get defined. The Census Bureau works with local officials in defining and naming such areas, but even so, you can find cases where people identify themselves with an area even though they may reside outside the CDP boundaries. Conversely, sometimes several neighborhoods with distinct identities to locals might get subsumed under a single CDP. However, I'm really not sure I see much benefit in stating that a CDP "may not precisely correspond to local understanding of the area" in the lead. In fact, unless there is some verifiable evidence to warrant such a claim, it could be misleading. olderwiser 03:20, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
I do not think this line is necessary unless there is a source discussing the difference between the census and local understanding. No other part of the article relies on this, and the census derives its definitions from local understanding to begin with so there's no need to make blanket disclaimers. Reywas92Talk 04:04, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
The Census Bureau creates CDP and grabs a local name or makes up one for statistical purposes. I just seen so many cases locally where the boundary has little to do with the common understanding. I don't think our area is special so I assume this confusion is widespread. No one says they live in a CDP, that is why the first line should mention the unincorporated community. The CDP is good for discussing population and nothing else. Fettlemap (talk) 04:36, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Ok, I see objections to that blanket disclaimer, and the 2015 RFC that the first sentence should start with defining the settlement primarily as an unincorporated area. But should the fact that such a CDP even exists be mentioned at all when giving the population figure in the lead? Or should it be on a case-by-case basis, especially when the Census Bureau combines multiple communities into a single CDP? Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:53, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
    • Absolutely yes, being a CDP is what allows us to have population figures in the first place. Start with calling it an unincorporated community then use "for statistical purposes" when mentioning the CDP and population and that the population is of the CDP.
      • Normally, WP articles are about the common understanding of a place, not about CDPs. I like the "statistical purposes" wording better than the other. Anyway, it is annoying to have to wade through all the wordage. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 13:42, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
      • @BeenAroundAWhile:, wondering if you find moving a sentence to the Geography section as shown here in Darwin, California to be less annoying. I do think a blanket warning is important given the sometimes obsessive edits over the definition of neighborhoods that occurs. This seems like a similar situation. Cheers, Fettlemap (talk) 00:39, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool[edit]

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)