User talk:clpo13

Please comment on Talk:Jordanian occupation of the West Bank

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RfA

Hi Clpo13. I've been looking for suitable editors to nominate for adminship and think you'd make a good candidate! From looking at your contribution history you've been around for long enough, have contributed to a variety of areas, have a great AfD and FfD record, good CSD log, some content creation history, and are generally friendly and productive. Your ORCP poll was generally positive and most users seemed to say 'come back later'; I think later is now and you stand a good chance! You could do a lot of good with the administrator toolset and I would be happy to nominate you. What are your thoughts? Sam Walton (talk) 23:26, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Sam, I appreciate the offer! I'll take you up on it, but let's wait until Monday to start the process. That'll give me some time to prepare, too. clpo13_(talk) 00:02, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

No rush at all - happy to take time to make sure answers are good and there's nothing lurking that might pop up during the process. I've started User:Samwalton9/RfA/Clpo13 to give you a chance to draft your question answers. I'll take a more thorough look through your contribs and might have some questions for you before we go live, and I'll give you some broad feedback on your answers :) I'll also see what I can do about the possibility of a co-nomination. Sam Walton (talk) 00:15, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Shakya

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Wikipedia and Copyright and the "Black Supremacy" article

Hello Clpo13.

I'm writing in response to your message to me on my talk page regarding Wikipedia and Copyright as pertains to my recent edits on the "Black Supremacy" article.

I actually appreciate your remarks inasmuch as I actually was unaware of the policies pertaining to reproduction of material in cited sources.

If I understand you correctly, one should not simply copy paste but reword the information (or else presumably place the text in quotation marks, presuming the amount of text quoted is reasonably short as per fair use concerns etc.).

I have no problem with that whatsoever and appreciate being so informed.

While I have your attention, may I ask whether it is also perfectly fine to have restored the "Nation of Islam" header?

It is supported by a citation I inserted indicating that the SPLC does indeed describe the Nation of Islam as Black Supremacist.

Thank you so much for your input!

Extremely helpful information I otherwise would not have known. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CannotFindAName (talk • contribs) 00:01, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

@CannotFindAName: You're very welcome. Yes, it's important that we respect the copyright of other people and organizations. Information can only be directly copied from a source if it's freely licensed or public domain (see WP:COMPLIC), though even then, attribution to the original author may be required per WP:FREECOPYING. Additionally, small amounts of non-free text can be quoted with attribution per MOS:QUOTE. I have no issue with adding that the SPLC describes NOI as black supremacist if it's supported by a source. clpo13_(talk) 15:44, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

@Clpo13: Thank you for your response. I hope I am following the correct protocol responding to your reply here on your page; it isn't entirely clear where one is supposed to respond to a response (here or on my own talk page linking to you so that you are notified?).

I have some follow up questions and remarks.

One regards citing an SPLC article which describes the Nation of Islam as black supremacist. I found an SPLC article which describes the NOI as black supremacist, whereupon I edited the list of organizations described by the SPLC as black supremacist by restoring the header (The Nation of Islam), writing below it "The SPLC describes the Nation of Islam as black supremacist". I appended a citation to that sentence which links to an SPLC article about the Nation of Islam which describes it as back supremacist (https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2011/06/07/black-supremacist-nation-islam-pushes-white-dominated-scientology).

This was reverted by an editor who claimed that the fact that the article's headline describes the NOI as black supremacist is not sufficient evidence that the SPLC describes the NOI as black supremacist, which I do not think is a valid objection. It is perfectly clear that the SPLC describes the NOI as black supremacist; I don't see why the fact that it's in the article's headline in anyway delegitimizes the citation. I would very much appreciate your input here.

Furthermore, after following your instructions and adding the information regarding Farrakhan's restoration of the teachings of the NOI using my own words rather than copying the text from the citation, it was reverted by editor Malik Shabazz with the following comment:

"I don't know what you're smoking, CannotFindAName, but source #7 says simply "Minister Louis Farrakhan, who broke with Mohammed over the change, separately revived the old Nation of Islam." Nothing about Farrakhan's ideology in the source, which (as I wrote) is an obituary of Mohammed and has no reason to discuss Farrakhan."

Now for one thing, the "I don't know what you're smoking" remark is clearly inappropriate for any editor, much less one with higher editorial privileges such as Mr. Shabazz.

Furthermore, it is abundantly clear in the context of the article cited (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26630405/ns/us_news-faith/t/former-nation-islam-leader-dies) that the following excerpt:

"Minister Louis Farrakhan, who broke with Mohammed over the change, separately revived the old Nation of Islam"

means that he restored the teachings described as black supremacist.

Moreover, the existing description of the article cited is extremely misleading, and rather obviously attempts to suggest that the cited article claims that the NOI was no longer black supremacist after 1975, when in fact the cited article only stated that the NOI promoted black supremacy while under the leadership of Elijah Mohammed, that this ideology was abandoned when Elijah Muhammad's son was named leader of the organization after his father's death in 1975, and that Farrakhan subsequently reestablished the NOI and restored the Elijah Mohammed era teachings.

I think that the aforementioned Nation of Islam header with the SPLC citation should be allowed to be restored, as well as my description of Farrakhan's restoration of the teachings of Elijah Muhammed described as black supremacist in the cited article.

I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts about this.

Thanks again!

CannotFindAName (talk) 23:23, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi There, sorry about that, thanks for helping and this article also needs help on the deletion discussion page

Hi there! I didn't realize the information was archived elsewhere now, thanks for helping me see that. I will apologize to the other editor on his page as well. I ask you for your help, as the Nikki Phoenix article that has been placed up many months ago by other editors on Wikipedia, (andhas passed review as meeting Notability under WP:PORNBIO; which it does in many areas,) and has been subsequently vandalized, and then nominated for deletion by the same editor. Numerous editors have come to it's defense, clearly citing Notability across a broad spectrum, and I would ask you to go to the deletion discussion page, read the history check the links for yourself to see that she in fact over-qualifies in 2 (not just 1) areas for Notability under WP:PORNBIO. Please cast a Vote to KEEP the article so that it can continue to be worked on and grow, and so that it will not be come and example of how to Vandalize and the be able to Delete a page that many editors worked hard on. Any help you can lend would be greatly appreciated!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nikki_Phoenix_(2nd_nomination)

Best Art javier (talk) 16:26, 12 April 2017 (UTC)