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Alexis Marie Rivera

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Poorly sourced biography of a person notable primarily as a case manager at a local non-profit agency. While Wikipedia doesn't inherently preclude people of primarily "local to a single area" notability from getting articles if they can be reliably sourced over WP:GNG, that's not what the sourcing here is doing -- of the six references here, four are primary sources (the self-published webpages of organizations she was directly involved with, and/or YouTube videos) and the other two are blogs. (And of the two blog sources, The Huffington Post is widely read enough that it would be an acceptable source if the rest of the referencing around it were more solid -- but it's not a source that can carry GNG all by itself if it's the best thing you can find.) She may have done interesting work and she was probably an awesome person, but unfortunately there's just nowhere near enough legitimate sourcing here to hang an encyclopedia article on. Bearcat (talk) 05:34, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. TopCipher (talk) 06:19, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bibliographies-related deletion discussions. TopCipher (talk) 06:19, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. TopCipher (talk) 06:19, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Just for the record, the wn.com citation doesn't help bolster a notability claim either — it's not an originator of content, but a news aggregator that merely collects headlines from other news services — the reason it's "similar" to the Huffington Post article is because it is the Huffington Post article. Nor does it matter whether an organization existed before she was involved with it or not — if she was involved with it at all, then it is a primary source, because her direct involvement in the organization makes it not fully independent of her. Bearcat (talk) 13:12, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Of note, in regard to other organizations that reference Alexis Rivera: GLAAD Article Published after shortly after her death [1]. Friends Research Institute in Los Angeles runs a program named after Alexis Rivera [2]. Techgirlwonder (talk) 14:27, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Obviously I'm the primary author so my vote is biased. Responding to TopCipher, I can tell you that Trans Pride is Los Angeles local transgender pride celebration [3], and gives an award every year recognizing a local transgender advocate. Since Alexis death in 2012, the award has been titled the Alexis Rivera Trailblazer Award in honor of Alexis work. Further references can be found here: [4], [5], [6].
    Query: Part of what makes Alexis Rivera important is she was an advocate 15 years ago, at a time when the transgender community was largely invisible to mainstream society. As a result, there is very little documented media from that time period (and what there is did not make it to the internet). Is there a recommended method for sourcing articles about communities are rarely written about in major media sources? I am committed to improving this article as the primary author based on the feedback here. Techgirlwonder (talk) 12:49, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, Wikipedia does not have a requirement that our sources be accessible on the internet — if you can find print-only media coverage in an archive or a news retrieval database, you can use that for referencing. But regardless of whether it's web-accessible or to paper-only content, the referencing does still have to be to reliable sources. We do not have any "alternate path to sourceability" rules that exempt members of underrepresented groups from having to be reliably sourced, or that allow them to rest on social networking posts, or blogs, or primary sources, or YouTube videos, or other types of sourcing that would not ordinarily be good enough, instead — as unfortunate as it may be that transgender people historically didn't get as much coverage in the media as they might have deserved, it's not Wikipedia's role to rectify that visibility gap if the required quality of sourcing doesn't exist and we have to rely on substandard sourcing instead. The fact that there was less reliable source coverage than there maybe should have been in principle does not exempt a person from the reliable sourcing requirement — if the depth of reliable source coverage just wasn't there to meet GNG on the same quality of sources that anybody else would have to show, then there simply isn't an alternate path to sourcing a keepable article. Bearcat (talk) 13:33, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Additional secondary sources -- Bay Area Reporter [7][8], Bilerico project [9][10], OnTop magazine [11]Techgirlwonder (talk) 14:27, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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