Talk:Bronze Star Medal

Name Discussion

Why is this at Bronze Star Medal while Purple Heart is not at Purple Heart Medal? Rmhermen 21:08, Dec 8, 2003 (UTC)

I have no idea. I redirected the other one here because this article was much more complete, but I think the "Medal" part should be dropped unless that's the official name (which I'm not clear on). - Hephaestos 21:12, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Looked it up in AR 600-8-22; the official name actually is "Bronze Star Medal"; paradoxically, it also lists Silver Star and Purple Heart (without the word "Medal") as official names. - Hephaestos 23:31, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Because there is a bronze star device that can also be awarded in the US Armed forces. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.162.128.54 (talk) 14:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Yep. Because of the bronze star device this medal has "medal" in its name. - Atfyfe (talk) 08:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

The Bronze Star Medal is the official name of the award (a decoration with or w/o the "V" device). Its referred to sometimes as a "Bronze Star" and sometimes bronze 3/16" service stars are mistaken to be Bronze Star Medals ("Bronze Stars"). The Navy and Marine Corps (manual), use Silver Star Medal, Bronze Star Medal, and Purple Heart Medal for these awards and uses a "combat distinguishing device" (Combat "V") instead of "V" Device. The Combat "V" may be authorized for wear for valor or for being exposed to personal hazard involving direct participation in combat operations. The Army authorizes the "V" Device (for valor only) to be worn. Both the Army "V" Device and the Navy-Marine Combat "V" are "V" devices. The Purple Heart (Purple Heart medal) and Purple Heart Medal are the same military awards. YahwehSaves.

I have heard that there are two types of bronze star medals. One more prestigious with fewer recipients, and the other less prestigious with more recipients that the Army has been giving out more frequently. However they are both named "Bronze Star Medal.' Does anyone have any information on the latter type? If it has the same, I don't know how to distinguish it from the Bronze Star Medal for Valor to find information on it. DrLRM (talk) 20:09, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Offical Graphic v. Offical Photo

I just noticed that the official USAF graphic of the Bronze Star has been swapped out for a graphic of it - to prevent an edit war I figured it would be best to discuss this. Personally I think the photo looks better - and maintains consistency between the rest of the medal pages, so my vote is to replace the graphic with a photo - any objections, and if so, why? --Darkstar949 20:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean the one here? [1] If so, I'm in agreement with you -- it looks much better than the graphic on that's currently there. Alcarillo 18:26, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Order of precedence

The Silver Star page says this one falls behind it in the order, yet this page says otherwise. Which one is correct? --Kevin W. 21:17, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

ATF: The order of precedence on U.S. military medals has not yet been systematically set down on Wikipedia. I have made some significant strides with the precedence of U.S. unit awards, but there remains a lot of work to be done on individual awards. Feel free to jump in and help. As to your specific question: the bronze star medal is not the next lowest award after the silver star. There are several Army and DoD awards between them, but the bronze star is the next lowest award for valor (combat) after the silver star. -- Atfyfe () 00:33, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

The order of precedence states that the Purple Heart follows the Bronze Star Medal in precedence - yet th official portrait of James Stockdale shows him wearing the Air Medal before the Purple Heart. I doubt he would have gotten the precedence wrong for an official portrait.Marcerickson (talk) 02:52, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

He has it wrong or the order of precedence has changed. Take your pick. (References: http://www.history.army.mil/faq/FAQ-AwdPrec.htm or http://www.medalsofamerica.com/content--name-Army-Medals-and-Ribbons-Chart) Maybe he was just more proud of his Air medal and didn't care what the official military order of precedence was (when you are awarded the Medal of Honor you can wear the uniform as you please). Here is the current Navy order of precedence just to be safe: http://www.med.navy.mil/sites/nmcp/EduTrain/GMDE/Documents/navy%20ribbons.pdf Thanks for bringing this interesting photo to our attention. It should be posted to reddit to see if someone can't explain it. - Atfyfe (talk) 03:15, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

"...when you are awarded the Medal of Honor you can wear the uniform as you please..." Ah! Thank you! Can you please cite the reference for that? It isn't currently on the Wikipedia Medal Of Honor page.Marcerickson (talk) 03:38, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Have posted it to reddit to ID the medal on the right of the Purple Heart.Marcerickson (talk) 06:13, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Here is a site stating that the order of precedence for the Purple Heart changed in 1985:

An amendment to the 1985 Defense Authorization Bill changed the order of precedence for the Purple Heart. It now is worn just below the Bronze Star, and just above the Meritorious Service Medals in the general order of precedence that has been established by all branches of service. (https://www.militaryribbons.net/shop/product/190R)

I haven't been able to find the old order of precedence chart. The medal he has between the Bronze Star and his Purple Heart is definitely the Air Medal. I think it's a good educated guess that Admiral Stockdale's medal ordering reflects the pre-1985 change to the purple heart order of precedence. - Atfyfe (talk) 17:58, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

References

Canadian awards

There was a portion of the History section of the article as follows:

The Executive Order was amended by President John F. Kennedy, per Executive Order 11046 dated 24 August 1962, to expand the authorization to include those serving with friendly forces. Such an honor has only been presented three times:

1. To the 2nd Battalion of Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry for their fight in the Medak Pocket in the former Yugoslavia;
2. To the 1st Battalion of the Royal 22^e Régiment for its defense of the airport at Sarajevo;
3. To 26 members of 3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry Battle Group, including posthumously to four killed when a U.S. F-16 fighter-bomber mistakenly attacked them as they conducted a night firing exercise on the outskirts of Kandahar, Afghanistan.

This section was wrong on many levels.

EO 11046 had nothing to do with awards to non-US personnel. There were plenty of awards before 1962 to non-U.S. personnel, mainly in World War II and Korea. The expansion under EO 11046 of authorization to include those serving with friendly forces applies to Americans serving with friendly forces, e.g. American advisors with foreign military units.

The Bronze Star is not a unit citation so the references in #1 and #2 above could not be correct. The awards of the Bronze Star to the members of the Princess Pats in Afghanistan, by contrast, are well documented, but there were 30 in total. The problem is the overall statement that these are the only three times the Bronze Star Medal has been thusly awarded.

Apparently, the mistake is this: In 2002, the Canadian Forces created the Commander-In-Chief Unit Commendation, a prestigious unit citation. It has only been awarded three times. Those three times are the three referred to above - to the Van Doos for Sarajevo in 1992, to the 2nd Princess Pats for Medak in 1993, and to the 3rd Princess Pats for Afghanistan in 2003. Many of the articles on these citations also talked about the awards of the 30 Bronze Star Medals to members of the 3rd Princess Pats for Afghanistan, so someone must have confused the Bronze Star with the Commander-In-Chief Unit Commendation.

If anyone has an alternative explanation, I wouldn't mind hearing it. Otherwise, I hope my fix and long-winded explanation are satisfactory.

Airbornelawyer 01:32, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

recipients?

Is there a source that lists approximately how many recipients there are of the Bronze Star Medal? - NDCompuGeek 06:02, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

List of Bronze Star Medal Recipients (may not be complete, but claims to have almost every recipient): http://www.ranker.com/list/bronze-star-medal-winners/reference DrLRM (talk) 20:09, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

British Bronze Star Medal

The British Army used to award a medal called the Bronze Star. It was first awarded c.1848 in India but (I believe) is now defunct. Is this related to the US Bronze Star? Should there be a disambig page? Does anyone know any more about this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by WickerWiki (talk • contribs) 00:14, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I wondering how a Bronze Star should be recieved? YesI recieved my while being a SSG in iraq and its a long story.

Valor Awards

Try reading AR 600-8-22 The BSM is awarded for both heroic and meritorious service. Heroic receives the Combat "V" to distinguish the act of valor over everyone else who receives it for meritorious acts. They are different when you see the "V" on the medal you instantly know the sacrific involved. It doesn't cheapen the award because there is a clearly visible distinction. At the bottom of the article there is a listing of the various awards and pictures of the ribbons. Under the awards for valor there is a very important ommission. The second highest award for valor are the Service Crosses (Navy Cross, Army Cross). That award should be listed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frogflyer (talk • contribs) 13:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

The awards listed at the bottom of the article are inter-service. In other words, these are honors that are awarded uniformly regardless of service. As you pointed out, the Service Crosses are service-specific, which is why they are not included on that list. SeanNovack (talk) 14:25, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

See top post - Name discussion. My entry. Army - "V" Device, Marines - Combat "V" (both are "V" devices). The Army for valor the Marines for valor or being exposed to personal hazard involving direct participation in combat operations. YahwehSaves

Duncan Hunter

US COngressman and Chair of the Armed Services COmmittee — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.231.249.138 (talk) 20:11, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Bronze Star Medal

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Bronze Star Medal's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Army":

• From "V" Device: "Army Regulation 600–8–22 Military Awards" (PDF). United States Army. 24 June 2013. Retrieved 6 May 2014.
• From Afghanistan Campaign Medal: Army Regulation 600-8-22

Reference named "CoastGuard":

• From "V" Device: "COMDTINST M1650.25D Medals and Awards Manual" (PDF). May 2008. pp. 1–15. Retrieved 6 May 2014.
• From Afghanistan Campaign Medal: Coast Guard Commandant Instruction 1650.25D

Reference named "AirForce":

• From "V" Device: "AFI 36-2803 Air Force Military Awards and Decorations Program" (PDF). 18 December 2013. p. 218. Retrieved 6 May 2014.
• From Afghanistan Campaign Medal: Air Force Instruction 36-2803

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 21:55, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Notable recipients

The community recently decided to delete the category for recipients of the Bronze Star. I anticipate deleting the section on recipients in the article because it is inherently incomplete, constitutes original research, and suggests that some recipients are more important than others.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 00:06, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

If it is the community's consensus to delete the section, then so be it. If the entries are uncited, then they may be removed from the article, but I suspect there is likely a cite on the subject's page. Conflating Wikipedia's notability guidelines with picking and choosing who is more important is misguided. We don't look at importance, we look at who meets the encyclopedic guidelines for inclusion. EricSerge (talk) 14:45, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

It's not OR if there is a reference present or the linked articles make the claim with references present. That the list is incomplete isn't as worrying to me as the fact that the list is getting long; I don't know if we want a separate List of Bronze Star Medal recipients as we'd have to provide prose on the distribution of the list. If the reader draws the conclusion that some awardees are more important than others is their problem, not ours. I understand that some find use in a list like this when reading about the medal itself so I'm not sure we could reasonably remove it. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:38, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

I generally do not support having sections on "notable recipients" as it, by definition, involves OR -- who determines which recipients are "more notable" than others? I would support removing this section. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:38, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

I had hoped for more discussion but am proceeding with the section removal. The following apply:

• The community decided in Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_March_27#Category:Recipients_of_the_Bronze_Star_Medal to delete the category.
• The section is, at best, a subset of the category.
• The medal, when awarded for valor, is the lowest award.
• The medal, when awarded for service is often an end-of-tour (or "thanks for coming") award.
• The section was incomplete; for example, Omar Nelson Bradley was included but George S. Patton and Garlin Murl Conner were not.

--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 15:48, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Concur. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:47, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

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