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User:JudgeJake40 seems to be on a personal crusade to remove RCBD citations. He has edited a couple of hundred pages in the last few days. Some of the material is useful but a lot of the edits consist of deleted sources or changing of stats without citations. Can you help?—JlACEer (talk) 01:46, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi a lot of the stats on RCDB do not match the ones on the official website so that's why I'm removing them. If the stats match on both sites then I leave them. If the stats are wrong on a RDCB page it isn't really a reliable source to link there. A lot of there info is outdated and wrong. I would be open to having a further discussion on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JudgeJake40 (talk • contribs) 01:50, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

JudgeJake40: I'm not sure if you saw my comments above, but I laid out several reason why we consider RCDB to be a reliable source. Parks and their official websites (especially for older roller coasters) may measure statistics differently than their peers, so specifications and records can be misleading or inaccurate when reading them on a park's website.

Also you should be aware of Wikipedia's policy WP:PSTS, which explains the difference between primary, secondary, and tertiary sources, and clarifies why secondary sources are preferred. The park's website is a primary source, and while acceptable in the absence of reliable, secondary sources, it would not be considered more reliable than RCDB. When primary and secondary sources disagree, we choose to cite the secondary source. Before going through dozens of articles and mass-changing them, I strongly suggest you take my advice above and discuss at the WikiProject's talk page to gain consensus. See WP:BRD for help understanding why these edits may be reverted and what the etiquette is on Wikipedia for handling these situations. --GoneIn60 (talk) 20:28, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@GoneIn60: Just because RCDB has been mentioned in various articles, does not make them a reliable source. Take for example an email that I exchanged between myself and RCDB where I got the explanation that they use a coaster's sign as their main source for a coaster's name rather than websites, maps, ACE Landmarks, etc. Also can you show me where it says "When primary and secondary sources disagree, we choose to cite the secondary source". Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JudgeJake40 (talk • contribs) 23:57, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your account has been linked to Hawkeye75, who has been blocked indefinitely. I was going to advise for a third time that you discuss RCDB at the WikiProject or at WP:RSN, but looking at your history, it became clear that you don't agree with the concept of WP:CON and WP:BRD. Continuing this would be a waste of time. --GoneIn60 (talk) 13:50, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that turned out to be an interesting development. It's too bad that everything was reversed as having the coaster logos added to a lot of the pages was helpful. I almost wish we had the opportunity to pick and choose which edits to keep!—JlACEer (talk) 15:00, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You removed my Stealth post

My source was a Manager at Thorpe Park. How do I put her as evidence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gwh9Gaming (talk • contribs) 14:50, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You can't. Personal research is a form of original research which is not permitted. In addition, it violates WP:V and WP:RS, both of which require reputable sources that the general public can verify. --GoneIn60 (talk) 17:57, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Double Loop (Geauga Lake)

Hello.

Here is the proof that Double Loop (Geauga Lake) was not the first coaster with two consecutive vertikal loops.

https://www.filmothek.bundesarchiv.de/video/586012?q=looping&xm=AND&xf%5B0%5D=_fulltext&xo%5B0%5D=CONTAINS&xv%5B0%5D=

06. Gelsenkirchen: Looping railway loop at Carnival. Cars go in loop Railway (coaster with two circles, in the car driving around upside down. Cars have roof). Recording at speeds from cars.

The footage of the coaster starts a 4:47 minutes into the video.

Best regards, Anonymous coaster enthusiast. ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.252.63.19 (talk) 12:28, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate the info, but ACE (American Coaster Enthusiasts) which is a recognized authority in the field, is cited as the source for the claim. You can read it here:

http://www.aceonline.org/AceNewsNow/?article=72

There may be other factors in play you're not aware of. For example, the loops on that ride in the video are circular instead of vertical. Also the train consists of one car, and the track is not a "modern" roller coaster track. So the claim that it is the first modern roller coaster with consecutive vertical loops still appears to be a true statement. In any case, reliable sources would need to sort this out for us. We can't perform original research to determine this ourselves. Original research is not permitted on Wikipedia. If you'd like to get additional opinions, I suggest starting a discussion on the article's talk page and/or at WT:WikiProject Amusement Parks. Hope that helps. --GoneIn60 (talk) 04:32, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

BvS

Thank you. I should have just done that. I was working until late yesterday so I didn't have enough time in one moment to go through the process. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 14:47, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Carolwood Pacific Railroad FAC

When you have a moment, I would like to see your input on the FAC page for the Carolwood Pacific Railroad here: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Carolwood Pacific Railroad/archive1. Per Sarastro, he wants someone to confirm whether the article is well-written, comprehensive, well-researched, and neutral. Once that's done, it will be ready for promotion. Jackdude101 ^talk ^cont 03:26, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jackdude101 :-: Sure thing. I will try to get to it later today. --GoneIn60 (talk) 14:11, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done --GoneIn60 (talk) 03:28, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Are you a GP?

On the Gwazi article, you changed it back to “the” Invadr. Coaster enthusiasts should never use “the” before saying the name of a coaster unless it has “the” in the name (examples: “The Beast”, “The Joker”). Also Goliath at La Ronde shouldn’t be called a hyper coaster because neither its first drop or its lift hill are 200 feet or above. ROBLOXfan123 (talk) 23:44, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

ROBLOXfan123: Placing "the" back in front of InvadR was unintentional. I went back and removed it. Speaking of Gwazi, you've now attempted to insert SBNO as the status on at least two occasions. See the discussion at WT:WikiProject Amusement Parks/Archive 3#Status fields in attraction articles, where it was decided to stop using that term. One of the main arguments is that fan jargon should be avoided when possible per WP:JARGON.

As for Goliath at La Ronde, I think you're confusing the fact that the B&M model is called "Hyper Coaster", which is what's listed in the infobox and on RCDB.com. However, you're right that is not classified as a hypercoaster, which is an industry term for roller coasters that are at least 200 ft tall. You can see this explained in the article at Goliath (La Ronde)#Track. The infobox entry you keep changing, by the way, is for the model not the classification.

And what's the deal with GP? What does that even stand for? --GoneIn60 (talk) 02:29, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GP stands for General Public. People who have no knowledge of roller coasters and think they are too dangerous and think a coaster is a copy of another coaster (example: They would say Kingda Ka is a copy of Top Thrill Dragster) would fall under that category. They even think Larson Superloops are roller coasters and that coaster trains can get stuck on a vertical loop. They call inversions loop de loops. ROBLOXfan123 (talk) 02:50, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Now you're just trolling. Since you haven't responded to anything else above, I'll take it that you agree. Glad I could enlighten you! --GoneIn60 (talk) 03:14, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You did ask what GP stood for, so I answered your question. I wasn’t really trying to troll. And yes I do agree with the other stuff.ROBLOXfan123 (talk) 03:31, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your condescending definition of what "general public" means and then asking if that's what I fall under is the definition of trolling. By the way, you may want to read WP:THREAD to see how replies on talk pages work. There's no need to create a new section for every reply; just indent it. --GoneIn60 (talk) 03:41, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Victim names

Where was that policy (which I completely disagree with, BTW) specified? I saw discussion on the talk page for the Cedar Fair incidents but there was no consensus at the time. 68.156.95.34 (talk) 01:02, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) It is from consensus among the editors of amusement park-related articles that summary articles do not need to include victim names for the reader to get the full understanding of what occurred. If there were a full article prepared on an individual incident, the victims' names would be appropriate. Further, Wikipedia guidelines, such as WP:BLP1E and WP:NOTNEWS, suggest that individuals who are notable for just a single thing (such as being involved in an incident) don't rise to Wikipedia's definition of notability. --McDoob AU93 11:29, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you McDoob for weighing in. Your comments from years ago on the subject are the reason why I've continued to remove names when I see them.

@ 68.156.95.34: There isn't an explicit policy that forbids mentioning names, but as McDoob mentions, it's best to avoid them when possible. WP:1E, which is referenced by WP:BLP1E, even states, "The general rule is to cover the event, not the person", when that person is only notable for one event. These incident list articles are doing just that: focusing on the events. Names aren't outright banned by policy, but they are indeed discouraged. Common sense also applies. What value is gained by adding the name? Does it benefit a reader's understanding of what occurred? The main argument here is that it doesn't add significant value, and those searching for information would not be entering search terms that include the victim's name. --GoneIn60 (talk) 17:03, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would say that knowing the victims' names are valuable in and of themselves. It helps readers search elsewhere on the Internet for more info by using their names. 68.156.95.34 (talk) 04:00, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]