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Appreciate your help. Betting this isn't done tho. John from Idegon (talk) 00:01, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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21:54, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

File:Eduard Irimia in Forbes Romania.jpg

This does not appear to be a valid use per the tag itself: Note: If the image depicts a person or persons on the cover, it is not acceptable to use the image in the article of the person or persons depicted on the cover, unless used to directly illustrate a point about the publication of the image. Use of the image merely to depict a person or persons in the image will be removed. Please reconsider as it has no use on Wikipedia to represent anything. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 17:30, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Chrissymad:The CSD reasoning was "Forbes cover - this is far from a low res image", clearly that does not apply once reduction has taken part - no mention of the suitability as a non-free image. A replaceable image needs a {{di-replaceable fair use}}, which I have just added (it will still get reduced). Ronhjones  (Talk) 17:42, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Replacement image

Thanks for your advice so far. I've uploaded the image. What do I do next?

Thanks

Steve Stevechelt (talk) 23:20, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Stevechelt: To replace the existing image, just change the file name in the link...so...
[[File:Junction 3 of the M50 near Gorsley - geograph.org.uk - 761554.jpg|thumb|The minor Junction 3 exits, viewed from the adjoining minor road bridge]]
Becomes...
[[File:UK M50 J3.jpg|thumb|The minor Junction 3 exits, viewed from the adjoining minor road bridge]]
Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:37, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Photo Permission Issue: BOARDING, Judith Weinshall Liberman Wikipedia Page

Hi Ronhjones. My Wikipedia mentor, User:DESiegel, recommended that I reach out to you for help regarding a photo I'm trying to get approved for a page I have in draft mode: Draft: Judith Weinshall Liberman. You contacted me yesterday (2018-06-05) regarding my issue with uploading a photo called BOARDING for use on the Judith Weinshall Liberman Wikipedia page. She has given me written (via email) permission to use the photo as she is the artist and the owner of the photo. Ms. Weinshall Liberman is legally blind, so I'm trying to figure out how I can best do the legwork to get the photo on the page. I know you said that there is an 80-day wait time on photo approvals — is that always the case? Is there any way around that — as in, is there some way I can speed up the process? I'm a new Wikipedia editor and I'm considerably baffled by the entire photo permissions process — it's the most confusing part of Wikipedia editing, by far.

I've had email correspondence with Permissions-Wikipedia Commons regarding BOARDING, and this is the assigned ticket number: Ticket#2018060710000077 If you get a free minute, can you please take a look at my correspondence with them to see what, if anything, can be done to get a speedy approval to use the image? I created my first Wikipedia page, Holocaust Wall Hangings a few months ago and didn't run into an issue with any of the photos on that page, so I'm unsure what I've done wrong this time around.

Please advise and thank you very much for your time. George David NH (talk) 03:14, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@George David NH:Oooooh, what a tangled web we weave... There were so many open tickets (I found 13) on your e-mail address (I hope I've found them all!) As they were all open - the images have not yet been approved. I've grabbed ownership of the earliest one (2018041410007775) and merged all the others into it (so grabbing ownership from the one that did get answered). A quick look has given me some ideas, I need to read through all the tickets this evening (it's 1pm now, and I'm off out) and come up with a plan. I'll e-mail you tonight. Ronhjones  (Talk) 12:01, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yes, a tangled web I have certainly woven! How I've gotten things so jumbled up with my quest to find photo permission is one of life's great mysteries. I'm doing my best to figure out the uploading/approval process, and will eventually nail it so this doesn't happen with future articles. Thank you very much for taking the time to look into the situation and help me through it. I really appreciate it. George David NH (talk) 12:42, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

{{tps}} To add to the web, there are several other uploads to commons that are not tagged with OTRS templates (but whose license/source details are equivalent to the others that are). I'm not currently an OTRS agent to be able to help further. DMacks (talk) 13:00, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sent you an email just now, but I'll post it here, too.

Thank you very much for doing some detective work for me (and for having a sense of humor). I appreciate that. I do need to give you a very long spade because if you have time to assist me, I need one more round of help/input/dirt digging. I'm not concerned about any of the Holocaust Wall Hanging photo submissions as I created that page and made it live a few months ago. All I'm trying to accomplish is to get clearance to post BOARDING. I'd like to use it on a page I'm creating that's currently in draft mode: Judith Weinshall Liberman. Judith Weinshall Liberman owns both the BOARDING artwork and photo, and has given me written permission via email to post it — and I believe that I followed the submission request steps that permissions require. Ms. Liberman is 89 years old and legally blind, so I'm acting as her representative. The information below applies to the painting that Ms. Liberman and I are trying to post (thanks for your research):

BOARDING (HOLOCAUST PAINTING).jpg (in e-mail under a few names) File:Boarding - Scenes of the Holocaust.jpg (commons, del) File:Boarding.jpg (commons, del) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Boarding-_Holocaust_Paintngs.jpg (fair use - and my bot has reduced it)

I'm unsure why permissions is not allowing me to use the BOARDING photo. Any additional help would be great. And appreciated. And I'd owe you one.

Note 1: I'm also posting the photos "Fire by Judith Weinshall Liberman.jpg" and "Judith Weinshall Liberman.png" (is this the portrait you're referring to?) on the Judith Weinshall Liberman page. I've coded these photos on the page and as of yet, they have not been removed. Note 2: Can you go to Draft: Judith Weinshall Liberman and see what the photo statuses look like? Note 3: Carla Jones is Judith Weinshall Liberman's website admin so that's probably how her name got involved in all of this. She has nothing to do with the current situation. George David NH (talk) 19:50, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think we should just delete all the earlier tickets and start over again, submitting new permissions from Ms. Liberman to use "BOARDING," "FIRE," and her portrait? That way it will be on one ticket. What do you think? George David NH (talk) 19:59, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@George David NH:. Glad the e-mail arrived...
  1. None of the photos has an approved OTRS ticket, expect them to start vanishing at any time! There are a lot of photos on commons, and only a lowly few admins (ca. 250), but they will get there eventually, and commons is much more ruthless than here... There is probably a time counter on unapproved commons OTRS tickets - probably set to 90 days before it drops the photo into a category for overdue OTRS - I know the system here is the same - but the en-wiki permission queue is 149 days!
  2. Quite some time ago, permissions stopped allowing forwarded e-mails. They must come directly from the copyright holder to OTRS.
  3. c:File:Judith Weinshall Liberman.png is the problem. It's obviously not a selfie, so we need the permission from whoever took the image, or a copy of the written transfer of copyright from the photographer.
  4. It's all on one ticket now. They were all merged onto 2018041410007775, they don't get deleted, adding more tickets will add more confusion, and you will still get the same issues.
Hope that all makes sense. Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:29, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. 1. I'll contact Weinshall Liberman as well as Carla Jones who may be able to assist with this. 2. Are you the one who merged them all on one ticket (2018041410007775) or was that done by OTRS? 3. What does OTRS stand for? I think knowing that may help me. You've been great! I really appreciate your help. George David NH (talk) 01:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  1. Yes, I merged them based on all the tickets I could find with the same e-mail address - 2018041410007837, 2018041910015721, 2018050110006119, 2018050110006146, 2018050110006155, 2018060610000319, 2018060610000337, 2018060610000471, 2018060610000481, 2018060610012155, 2018060710000077 - all now part of 2018041410007775. When a new e-mail arrived it is given a new ticket number and waits in the queue for someone to action it. If there is "[Ticket#<number>]" in the subject then it will add it to that e-mail train, and notify the ticket owner by e-mail.
  2. ORTS - see Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team
Ronhjones  (Talk) 15:26, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Great. I'm beginning to understand all of this. I checked out the ORTS page and that's all making sense, too. Thanks again for your help. George David NH (talk) 01:13, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good afternoon Ronhjones. I'm pretty much done writing the Wikipedia article Draft:Judith Weinshall Liberman and would like to make it live. I have not yet heard from anyone at en-wiki permissions — am I really looking at a possible 149 days for photo approval as you mentioned earlier? What I'm most confused about was the speed in which I was allowed to post images on Holocaust Wall Hangings (about a week) but in the case of this page, it may take around 149 days - and all the photos for this page come from the same source (Weinshall Liberman) as those at Holocaust Wall Hangings. To possibly speed up the process, Weinshall Liberman has provided me with a candid photo of her taken by her daughter — not a professional photographer. I submitted a request to use that freely licensed photo a few days ago. So is there a way I can post the images on Draft:Judith Weinshall Liberman and make the article live while noting somewhere that the photos are in a queue for acceptance with en-wiki permissions? Do I have to wait 5 months before I can launch the page? That doesn't make sense to me. Please advise. George David NH (talk) 21:11, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@George David NH: If her daughter has taken a photo then she needs to upload it, otherwise we join the OTRS merry-go-round. No it won't be 149 days, because I merged all the tickets, so now they are all mine. But we cannot move forward until an e-mail arrives direct from Ms Liberman to OTRS - that's the rule - "no forwarded e-mails will be acceptable". Nothing will happen until that e-mail arrives (except eventually the images will get deleted as "OTRS no permission"). I refer you back to my suggestions in the e-mail. Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:07, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for getting back to me and bearing with me. I'm trying to do this all on my own but I don't always understand what you're instructing me to do because I'm not yet familiar with some of the terminology. If you can walk me through the process a bit more, I should be able to move along without guidance on my next article. I think what you're saying is this: I need to contact Weinshall Liberman's daughter and have her contact OTRS directly stating that she gives permission to use the photo that she took as well as have her upload that photo to that email, and I also need to contact Weinshall Liberman and have her contact OTRS so she can directly give permission to use the photos BOARDING and Fire. Questions:

1. How do they contact OTRS (what email address)? permissions-commons@wikimedia.org, correct?
2. Is there a form or format they should use when giving their consent and if so, where do I find it?
3. Include ticket# you created for me in email subject line, correct?
4. How will we know when we've been given the approval to post the photos? Will we be contacted by OTRS? George David NH (talk) 22:31, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@George David NH:
1. If the daughter took the photo, and she uploads it - she is the copyright holder and (normally) needs do no more. Her uploading the image and applying the license is enough permission. Note it all goes bad if that photo has been uploaded anywhere on the internet before uploading on Wikimedia.
2. The form is at c:COM:CONSENT or I can send a filled in one to her direct (I've seen her address in the e-mails) to just approve - remember there are more than two images at stake.
3. Any e-mail should have [Ticket#:2018041410007775] in the subject line.
4. When approved an e-mail will be sent.
Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:45, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The photo her daughter took has been used here: https://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/judith-weinshall-liberman-54-life-art so I hope that isn't an issue. Part of the problem with getting permissions is that Weinshall Liberman lives alone and is legally blind and can hardly read anything on the computer. So having her fill these things out or handle anything on her end is tricky.George David NH (talk) 23:24, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there, I may need your help.

I'm a new Wikipedia editor here and I'm confused. I want to ask you for your help, thank you!! Why the picture I uploaded was reduced to a much smaller size？ How can the picture I uploaded not be reduced to a smaller size?

It is me who captured the screenshot, so does that mean I created the picture? What if I lied to Wikipedia that the picture I uploaded is my personal work(but it is not)?

Thank you! I do want to make Wikipedia better.Mitochondrions (talk) 00:13, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Mitochondrions:You can have any size you like, BUT if it is over 100,000 pixels then there needs to be a very good reason, explained in full in the Fair-use rationale - and the image must have a {{non-free no reduce}} template added (or it will get reduced to just under 100,000 pixels). You should read WP:NFC. Images like File:Elsa, singing Let It Go.png, you could take the original and crop the black bits, and upload the result, it will get reduced to the guideline, but would be better - this is one reason we leave the original image for a week. A suitable reason for big files is if there is some fine detail which is has some critical commentary about it in the article (but not text - it is expected that most text won't read at guideline size). Do be careful you don't fall foul of WP:NFCCP3a - a minimal number of mon-free items in an article. You will soon find that the whole NFC is a minefield... (and everyone has different views...) Ronhjones  (Talk) 17:44, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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21:55, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Another unreadable text file

The file File:Windows XP Activation Wizard.png has text that is just a little bit too small to read the text properly. It is linked to the Microsoft Product Activation article, and the image's purpose is to denote all of the text involved in the new product activation system, but some of the words are just too non-legible to read. Is it possible to make the width become 350px instead of 300px, so that the words are that bit more legible? Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 01:01, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Or perhaps 320px, to make only just a few words a bit more legible while still making the words themselves pretty crappy-looking in that the image is unusable as a non-Wikipedia use file? Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 01:04, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Qwertyxp2000: Howzat! I've added a non reduce template, but my bot does not tag a "Non-free Microsoft screenshot" anyway. More "belt and braces" as we say here. Ronhjones  (Talk) 16:24, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, that looks good, because since it's the main subject of the article, and that all of the words should need be legible to critique more easily. I will also reduce the size of the image to as small as possible in that it would be as readable as it is readable. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 04:26, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Thank you, for deleting the article on ontological hermeneutics. I promise I will never, ever, ever, do anything like this again. Please accept my sincerest apologies. If consequences are deemed necessary, it is my intent to maintain an attitude of fully accepting them, and learning from them. Urstadt (talk) 18:33, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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