Talk:Ebionites

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Towards Featured Article status

Before we push the article to Peer review - a step that should always be taken before the Featured Articles Candidacy step - , we need to 1) preserve a neutral point of view ; and 2) extensively provided references for every paragraph in this article following Wikipedia:Citing sources guidelines. --Loremaster 14:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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According to a Wikipedia rule of thumb: 1) if something is in See also, try to incorporate it into main body 2) if something is in main body, it should not be in See also and therefore 3) good articles have no See also sections. --Loremaster 01:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC) Shalom Loremaster,[reply]

Articals explaining offical Wikipedia policy have "see also" sections.NazireneMystic 00:13, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I know. However, I have a spoken to Wikipedia administrators about this issue and I've confirmed that this rule of thumb is an unofficial policy that is highly recommended. --Loremaster 02:07, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Toward Peer Review

I am now satisfied with the 12:03, 10 September 2006 version of the article. --Loremaster 17:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am also satisfied with the 12:03, 10 September 2006 version of the article. I will initiate the peer review process. Thanks Loremaster, for your efforts to make this article into a candidate for featured article status. Ovadyah 18:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. --Loremaster 19:37, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I will continue to make some minor edits to the article but nothing that will change it's structure or core content. --Loremaster 17:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Peer review/Ebionites

I have just made a series of suggestions here [1] Slrubenstein | Talk 20:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. --Loremaster 21:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Loremaster I suggest we reserve this page for disussions relating to peer review and follow-up work resulting from the peer review. I suggest moving the last two sections discussing editorial changes made prior to the peer review to Archive 2. I would move the rant about changes to the archived pages to Archive 1, where it can be combined with all the other POV material. Ovadyah 02:05, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Done. --Loremaster 02:27, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Its interesting that actual discussion about changes to the artical you call rants. then archiving it by moving it to a different section only makes for confusion. Do smoke screens and confusion work in your favor?NazireneMystic 00:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Whether they are rants or not, I only archive discussions that have ended and disputes have been resolved. Anyone can easily find and read the archives so my acts cannot be interpreted as some attempt to limit your freedom of speech. --Loremaster 16:11, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The peer review has been archived. It contains several ideas we can use to improve the Ebionites article. --Loremaster 14:26, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Slrubenstein's suggestions

This is an important article but clearly it needs work. I have three general comments.

A definition or account of what the Ebionites believed should be in the first paragraph. Later in the text we find this: "All these Christian sources agree that Ebionites denied the divinity of Jesus, the doctrine of the Trinity, the Virgin Birth, and the death of Jesus as an atonement for the Original Sin. Ebionites seemed to have emphasized the humanity of Jesus as the mortal son of Mary and Joseph who became the Messiah as "prophet like Moses" when he was anointed with the "holy spirit" at his baptism. Sources also suggest that Ebionites believed all Jews and Gentiles must observe Mosaic Law; but it must be understood through the Sermon on the Mount's expounding of the Law by Jesus." I think an abbreviated version of this should be the second sentence. I am not sure that the vows of poverty needs to be in the first paragraph.

Loremaster, let's consider Slrub's first suggestion. Basically, he's arguing for an abstract of Ebionite beliefs. Can you craft this in one sentence for the lead paragraph? I think the vow of poverty material should stay as is in a third sentence. Ovadyah 02:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Since Scholars have such different views of the source of thier writings from one claiming they are Gnostic christian in an attempt to make them sound wrongfuly atributed to Ebionite and anothers that claim they came directly from jewish thought that already existed at the time, to try to follow that editors sugestion would clearly be tring to deside truth rather then lay out a factual artical when the facts themselves are highly debated "NazireneMystic"