Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TryBishop

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Doesn't meet the notability guidelines for inclusion. Most of the footnoted sources don't even mention him, and the others are just lyrics and data listings, and a couple of bare mentions. A Google search turns up nothing to meet WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. Largoplazo (talk) 01:45, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, qualifies for WP:GNG. His name appears in Vernia (album) and Auburn (singer) and T-Pain discography, and most of the featured artists in those three articles have their own articles too. Might as well delete dozens of those other articles for failing notability, but apparently they do not. Insularism (talk) 01:52, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If they fail the guidelines, then they fail the guidelines, and those articles should be deleted too. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. It seems unlikely that one's name appearing on an album that isn't one's own album is on its own going to establish notability. Largoplazo (talk) 02:00, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am a hip hop fan who writes articles only about the artists and producers whom I feel are notable, so I am not being reckless. TryBishop's peers who are clearly on the same level of notability as him have their own Wikipedia articles too.
Are you saying we should nominate everything else for deletion then? By your criteria, half of all hip hop artists and producers on Wikipedia fail this policy, which is inherently unclear. Should I help you nominate everything else for deletion then? Let's take WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and WP:GNG seriously and see half of all Wikipedia hip-hop articles get deleted. I'm ready to help you out on this one. Insularism (talk) 02:05, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm saying that every article about a non-notable topic is subject to deletion, with notability defined through Wikipedia's guidelines on the subject. That isn't my opinion, that's a statement of Wikipedia's policy that articles be about notable topics. If there are other artists you feel inclined, in good faith, to nominate for deletion based on a failure to meet the guidelines, you should do so. Largoplazo (talk) 02:21, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I know this subject meets notability guidelines. I just read through them, like the biographical ones and singer ones. And explain WP:GNG to me. Its totally vague and unclear. We should go through Wikipedia:WikiProject Hip Hop and flood this Articles for Deletion thing or whatever it's called, and see the whole project get destroyed. Insularism (talk) 02:25, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Tell me, which ones do not qualify for WP:GNG: 1500 or Nothin', Da Internz, Curtis Williams, Tech N9ne, Beatnick, Wrekonize, K-Salaam, Christopher Dotson, Vernia, Erick Sermon. I bet some of them don't. Tell me which ones specifically do not follow this vague, weird guideline. Some of them have junk references. Insularism (talk) 02:30, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am very familiar with the Midwest hip-hop scene. You and most other Wikipedia members are not. I know who is notable and who is not in this niche. TryBishop is on par with many other hip-hop artists with Wikipedia articles. This is an obvious fact. I know for certain that this article does not deserve deletion. I know better than to write up an article about some random wannabe rapper kid with no online presence. Do the research for yourself. Insularism (talk) 02:36, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:GNG says, "Reliable" means that sources need editorial integrity to allow verifiable evaluation of notability. CHECK.
WP:GNG says, "Sources" should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability. CHECK.
"Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. CHECK.
"Presumed" means that significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, CHECK.
Notable? CHECK. That's how I know this is a keep. You, on the other hand, did not actually read the fine print in WP:GNG, did you? Insularism (talk) 02:41, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]