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Azerbaijan Journal of Educational Studies

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Article previously deleted after PROD: "Non-notable journal. Not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG. " PROD reason still stands, re-created version still has no indication of notability. Hence: Delete. Randykitty (talk) 17:36, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academic journals-related deletion discussions. Randykitty (talk) 17:36, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Azerbaijan-related deletion discussions. Randykitty (talk) 17:36, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Ministry of Education (Azerbaijan) would be preferable. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:19, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Except for 2 things: there's not much reliably sourced content that can be merged and, more importantly, I cannot imagine that this journal is more than a tiny part of the activity of this ministry, so including a section (presumably with the infobox) in this article seems rather undue to me. --Randykitty (talk) 16:00, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It could be included in a larger 'publications' section. Either way, my merge !vote remains. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:10, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This is the the eldest journal of the Ministry of Education (Azerbaijan). I think this should not be delete.--Qızılbaş (talk) 07:42, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Just existing for a long time is a reason to think that there might be sources, but in the absence of such sources, existence alone is not enough. --Randykitty (talk) 08:43, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

One of the difficulties is that it's very unlikely that any of us here are fluent in Azerbaijani, where most sources would exist. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:09, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 18:23, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 09:18, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:41, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, i have been bold and added a "Publications" section to Ministry of Education (Azerbaijan), i note that the ministry has another 3 publications that are listed here and could be added. Coolabahapple (talk) 02:17, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, an article on this journal has been on the Azerbaijani Wikipedia since July 2017 with no apparent issues (here), it has more information (unfortunately unsourced), so the englishwp article could be expanded, with appropriate sourcing? Coolabahapple (talk) 02:37, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, also, i see that, although having been an editor with the Azerbaijani Wikipedia for a number of year, the article creator (hi Qızılbaş:)) is relatively new on the englishwp and that this is their 1st article, and rather than being welcoming ie. no welcome message (not even a welcome kitten!!:)), even though, from the comments above, the englishwp is apparently lacking in Azerbaijani fluent editors, their 1st article gets sent straight to afd. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:01, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That the creator is a newcomer is really a non-argument for or against deletion. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:28, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for not posting a "welcome" template on the creator's talk page. Don't know how that happened, as I always post such templates to new contributors (IP or named). In addition, normally Twinkle does this if a talk page is still empty. As better late than never, I've just corrected this oversight. Apart from that, I agree with Headbomb that this has no bearing on whether the article should be kept or not. --Randykitty (talk) 08:00, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou Headbomb, and Randykitty for the responses, i know that it is irrelevant to notableness, just thought i would bring a bit of happy fuzziness into the dry world that can be afd ....

Coolabahapple (talk) 15:35, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Ministry of Education (Azerbaijan) as long as the info can be verified as existing on its website. I am presuming notability of Ministry of Education (Azerbaijan) so verification of the existence of journal information is all that is needed. There might even be some information available on WorldCat or an Azerbaijan library. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 11:22, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Ministry of Education (Azerbaijan)#Publications where there is already a one-sentence mention. Deleting outright a long-standing, official publication looks a sub-optimum idea. Searching on the native title "Azərbaycan Məktəbi" yields sufficient results to meet WP:V. However, I note that even the Azerbaijan Wikipedia entry here doesn't have the necessary sources to stand up notability. 2A02:C7F:4481:8300:90DC:E235:5074:54B0 (talk) 21:36, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]