Talk:2019–20 Liverpool F.C. season

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Transfers section

Hello, Personally I think we shouldn't just have players who are mainly first team players in the transfer section. All players contracted to Liverpool Football Club who have moved on during the season should be shown here. If you have a look at several other top Premier League sides all first team, reserves and under-23s are listed. As long as it is all reliable sources it should be edited in. --Skyblueshaun (talk) 19:07, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First Team

I'm copy-pasting this again from the last two season pages. As far as I know, any time academy players have been listed under the 'Transfers Out' section they have always been removed. It happened last year even with players who were loaned out and played first-team football for their loanee club, i.e., Ryan McLaughlin in the 2017-18 season and would be Jack Dunn in this case for the 2018-19 year. And as you can see looking through previous years for Liverpool on Wikipedia and unretained players lists in general in those corresponding years, there are many players unlisted on Wikipedia because they haven't played first team football for Liverpool. You can also dig through revision histories of previous years and see examples of released academy players listed under the transfer out section being removed. If I am wrong about this feel free to keep it as is currently but as far as I can remember that is the way it goes.

Teams organize their seasonal pages differently. Many of them, for example, do not list transfer fees. Liverpool's pages do and generally have done despite no actual club confirmation, but rather relying on reliable club sources. Some clubs also do not do month-by-month summaries of the season as Liverpool's seasonal pages do. This is an article about the Liverpool first team for the (as of now, upcoming) 2018-19 season. Players who have not played first team football for Liverpool or are brought in and not listed as first-team members of the side, the VAST majority of whom would also not fall under the notability criteria, I would claim, do not make sense on this sort of page. There is precedent for this on previous Liverpool pages which is more important than gauging other teams' pages. If this sort of change is to be made to the page, it should be discussed among the contributors to the Liverpool wiki-pages before coming to consensus. If one is agreed, there should then also be a process in going back and attempting to revise as many previous years' lists as possible. Until that happens, please refrain from updating this page's transfers in/out with academy players or those who left and were never involved with Liverpool's first team.

I really don't have anything new to add. If we're going to make a change, precedent should be established among those who are editing these pages just as they are anywhere else on this site. I still am of the opinion that this is a first-team page per season, so only established first-team moves, or those to other teams' first teams while still under contract (so, basically, loans -- i.e., Rhys Williams, etc.) should be added. That is, based on precedent and others reverting academy additions, what the majority seem to feel as well. NotAdamKovic (talk) 15:05, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Transfer section

I stay out of it for the most part, because I don't want to be engaged in online wars, but current consensus about removing u23 players from 'transfers out' section, but keeping them in 'transfers in' and 'loans out' sections makes zero sense to me. If there is one thing I strongly dislike, that's double standard. If you want to make this page about 1st team only (I disagree, but if majority wants that I'll respect it) then remove all the academy players from transfers in and/or loans out. In that case you at least have the argument that's not based on judgment but on clear rule.

Page is called LFC 19-20 season, not LFC first team 19-20 season. Having all of the LFC transfer activity in one place would paint clearer picture about what happened in the club transfers-wise during particular season.

By the way, is a 1st team player someone who has an appearance for 1st team under his belt (could be 3 years ago) or someone who is listed as a 1st team player on official page? Does it have to be both? Or is it enough to satisfy either one of the two rules? I'm not being facetious I think it's legit that some people don't know.

Now, I do think that when a team releases 10+ 'no name' academy players in the summer 'transfers out' section becomes a crowded mess. So why not compromise and make a separate table for academy players that are sold/released? Same can be done for loans. It would make this page much more complete (wouldn't miss on LFC selling their u23 captain to Feyenoord, which I think is newsworthy) and people who only care about 1st team transfer activity could just skip the part about academy transfers if they're not interested. P0g0.try (talk) 08:45, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Really good points. I like that idea of the academy section. First-team players (listed in the roster section) are those listed on the official club website. First-team transfers (listed in the transfers section) are those who have made an appearance with the club's first-team and moved on. I definitely agree that something like Johnston moving on for a fee to a big team in the Netherlands is probably noteworthy. I also, however, like you said, think that a bunch of released academy transfers clogs up the first-team transfers, which I think is what people use this site primarily for. I'm just trying to keep what appears to be established precedent for now in tact. I think the best idea is the academy section you listed. If I'm not mistaken some other clubs have something similar too, no? That gets the best of both worlds and even lets things like transfer funds be a bit more accurate. I am very open to change (despite what it may seem) and really have no problems with anything! I'd like to be less active on this page to be honest, so I respect whatever compromise/decision would be made. :-) NotAdamKovic (talk) 17:13, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Competition

Currently it is written "The club will compete in the UEFA Champions League, Premier League, FA Cup, and EFL Cup". Why using the future tense (will) while the competition is already on going? 49.184.211.80 (talk) 03:08, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First team stats

The first team list in this article has stats for the players' entire Liverpool career not just for this season. I think it should be changed to be only stats of this season because this article is about this season. Ae245 (talk) 09:07, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First team stats

Great job, Ae245! You made the entire table useless. You can find the current first team squad on Liverpool's main article anyway. You can also see the current season's statistics down the page. That table was causing any harm or confusion. You managed to remove a very useful feature (quickly comparing Liverpool's players' statistics after each game) for an absolutely inane reason.50.37.126.208 (talk) 05:34, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]