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Victuallers 11:29, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The longest part about the article shouldn't be a shooting. True, the school closed, but there must have been at least one other thing that had happened. For instance, the date that it opened? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.153.22.31 (talk) 21:43, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

why did he do it?? how the heck did he get the gun. aamerica is to free with its guns. no fire arms except a four shot pistol should be alowed. the pistol can be any type, but it must have only four rounds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.220.102.253 (talk) 22:21, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How does that help? So they can only kill four people before reloading? how does that help at ALL? TimonofAthens (talk) 19:26, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article Title

I have a problem with the title of this article being "Murder of Kayla Rolland." The child who killed Kayla was only 6 and it was determined he couldn't have formed the intent to kill her. Murder is defined as the unlawful taking of life with malice aforethought, so as such I don't think this should be classified as a "murder." Perhaps "Death of Kayla Rolland"? Thoughts? Robert Beck (talk) 00:52, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agree - moved to Shooting of Kayla Rolland. Exxolon (talk) 22:14, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I thought the article should be named Murder of Kayla Rolland. In spite of his age, he intended to harm her and knew guns would harm people. He threw the gun in a trash can and hid. He knew he had done wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.97.40.180 (talk) 20:49, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

birth and death date of Kayla

"The shooting of Kayla Rolland occurred at Buell Elementary School in Mount Morris Township, Michigan, United States on February 29, 2000. Six-year-old Dedric Darnell Owens fatally shot classmate Kayla Renee Rolland (May 12, 1993 – February 29, 2000) in a stairwell before he was taken into police custody. Buell Elementary School closed in 2002."

Now is it just me, or is listed the death date of Kayle in the parenthesis sorta redundant? I mean, you stated the date of the shooting in the first sentence and you explain that the shooting was fatal is in the second sentence, doesn't that make listing the death date in the parenthesis redundant and unneeded? CRRays Head90 | ^#OneMoreGame 17:15, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Name?

@NabuThoth: You have removed the name of the shooter from the begging of the article [1]. But, the rest of the article mentions him as "Owens" 17 more times. This way, it's very odd. He is "unnamed" in the first sentence, but is then named "Owens" in the rest of the article. Can you fix it? Vanjagenije (talk) 14:59, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Vanjagenije: You make a valid point. We cannot assume that the child suspect has the same last name as the father. I will replace "Owens" with the word "suspect." Thank you! User talk:NabuThoth 12:02 EST, 12 December 2019

We should first address what the policy rationale is for redacting the name from the article. Media and press reports at the time in 2000 withheld Owen's name (rightly so) pre-adjudication because he was a juvenile accused of something very serious, but I'm not sure our encyclopedia article 19 years removed from the incident should follow that convention. Are there any Wikipedia policy arguments that specifically speak to the concern that we should redact it when it's been in this article since it's inception in 2007? Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 19:31, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@AzureCitizen: Thank you for making a valid point. I'm not redacting the name because he was a juvenile. I'm redacting the name because, according to the article, it was the name of the suspect's father. Somehow, whoever initially wrote the article mistakenly associated the name with the suspect. It is very possible that the child is a "Jr" and the father is the "Sr." Unfortunately, the existing citations do not presently support that conclusion. User talk:NabuThoth 3:21pm EST, 12 December 2019.

Thank you for making that clear, and I see now that I misunderstood what was going on here. Rather embarrassing that this article has had that wrong all this time! By all means, we should correct the article accordingly. Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 21:40, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Corrective edit implemented here. Thanks, AzureCitizen (talk) 21:57, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Youngest Shooter

I He is not the youngest school shooter in general but he is the youngest fatal shooter so i think that the article should mentioned him as the youngest fatal school shooter and not just the youngest school shooter--Cadeken (talk) 02:32, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]