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Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/sandbox Welcome to the discussion page for Esperanza! General dicussions and introductions take place on this page. Feel free to add any questions or comments about the project below.

If you would like to...

...suggest a new project, see the Proposals page.
...discuss or comment on the governance of Esperanza, see the Governance talk page.
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Are we or not?

Are we holding an election or not? WikieZach| talk 23:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If everything has been solved, and the governance structure has been agreed on, then I dont see why not - • The Giant Puffin • 11:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Esperanza/December 2006 elections WikieZach| talk 13:17, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, no no! Current consensus - by 4 to 7 - at the voting page is to GET RID of the AC! No point in holding elections for something we're getting rid of. This sounds like an attempt to get your way by the back door. Moreschi 13:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Governance structure has not been agreed on by any measure. This does not feel right. Moreschi 13:21, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well then there is still need of an amendment to the charter, since on the 31st their terms will be expired; also the governance talk may go on for at least two more months--WikieZach| talk 13:37, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I would propose doing the same thing as what is being done with Concordia: allowing the current AC members to remain in office until the governance issue reaches a conclusion. I do have to say that the Charter Proposal Voting page has a stated deadline of December 19, 2006, so I don't see where the "at least two more months" is coming from. --Kyoko 15:39, 17 December 2006 (UTC) The Werdnabot archival process somehow erased my comment, so I am restoring it. --Kyoko 15:44, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Send a report to Werdna.It seems like the AC has been less active in EA discussions as they used to. Are they all on Wikibreak? Even then, I agree with Kyoko about keeping the AC in office until we have decided on a course of action. In addition, I think it might be a good idea if we could merge with Concordia. (just a thought...)--Ed ¿Cómo estás? 16:39, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I have put an illness template up on my userpage, but I'l try to keep up as much as I can :P Anyway, we needn't rush. Some of the time December elections are in January, etc, so it doesn't matter (that is, if the governance remains the same) if the elections are late. It has happened in the past. Also, if it is best for Esperanza to keep the current governance structure whie it sorts out that part of its charter, I would think that would be the best course of action to take. Thε Halo Θ 23:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What I meant by two months is that after the voting is over, drafing something will take awhile/ WikieZach| talk 00:47, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The advisory council is generally just feeling burnt out. I agree with Halo though, we should be sure we know what kind of governance we would be voting for before we hold any elections. It makes sense to work that out first. Since the what we're doing now involves all of Esperanza and doesn't really hinge on the advisory council, it doesn't seem like it would be a problem to just wait for elections. And if people feel like it's somehow bad to leave people on the council past their term, we could leave a time with no council. But, it doesn't seem like it will matter much either way. -- Natalya 20:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You know, now would be the perfect time to see how Esperanza can cope without leadership... Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 07:46, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Crunch time for Appreciation Week might be approaching

If Esperanza wants to conduct its appreciation week to include January 15, I think we should began planning in earnest as soon as possible, so that people can have sufficient notification of what might be happening and the like. Badbilltucker 16:18, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What's on January 15? I forgot. WikieZach| talk 20:10, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, Wikipedia Day, Wikizach's response to own comment

Results

Here are the results to be used in the creation of the Charter;

Should we keep the Advisory council in its current structure with 7 members?

4-7; NO

Should the Council's powers be limited to housekeeping jobs and declaring consensus?

3-3-1; Consensus Not Reached

Should we coutinue to have an Administrator General?

6-0; YES

In the case we keep an AdminGen, should the person be elected out of the council or by the people directly?

8-0; By Direct-Vote

Should there be some form of requirements to join our membership?

1-8; NO

In the case a council member or the Admin.Gen. does something wrong (to be determined in detail if this is passed) then should there be a procedure in place to remove them?

6-2; YES

Do you agree with the idea to have an "expanded legislature" that would consist of a ten-member body to make sure the council is doing it's job?

2-8; NO

Should regular members be allowed to 'submit' stories for the EP Newsletter to be edited by the council?

2-5-0; YES, IF EDITED BY COUNCIL

Should we try to make Esperanza less reliant on formal procedures, official structures and parliamentary-style voting?

6-0-1; YES

Should procedures be put in place to suspend or remove disruptive members from Esperanza?

1-4; NO

Should we abolish the idea of membership entirely?

6-2-1; YES

The Above are the results; within 15 days, I will sumbit a new charter for review using the above results and other commentary--WikieZach| talk 00:44, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The first question (about keeping the AC) resulted in 4-7, majority voting NO. This result, however, does not give clear consensus on this issue. There is a major dissent against the majority. I think that this particular issue should be more discussed.--Ed ¿Cómo estás? 01:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The vote's result was to reject keeping the current structure of the AC. I suggest that more discussion be put into this immediately to reach consensus on how the AC will still function, or if it will function at all. Diez2 13:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Where was this poll taken? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 07:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am ready to become part of the Council, how do I run?

I am ready to become part of the Council, how do I run? I know I'm new, but I would love to run. Laleenatalk to me contributions to Wikipedia 13:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We are currently reviewing the charter, elections (may) commence in a few weeks, later than usuall. WikieZach| talk 21:06, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Editor's Forum

The Editor's Forum was proposed a month ago on the proposals page, and lately all conversation/action regarding it has stalled. There is currently a consensus supporting it (not a single vote rejecting it, yet). Considering the above, I am assuming that it should be okay to create the page. The draft is currently at User:Ed/Sandbox. So my question is: Is it okay to start the program yet?  Shardsofmetal  22:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you think starting it would help with Wikipedia's mission, and other users who've discussed it all seem to agree, then of course it's ok! This is, after all, a wiki. ;-) SCZenz 23:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As mentioned before, I think this is a good idea, but the with the three caveats as before:
  1. Rename it to "Noticeboard" - Forum implies lots of chatting, and youll get misunderstandings by non-Esperanzans.
  2. Merge the To-do list to it.
  3. Merge the Stress Alerts to it.
Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 07:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Were the italics really necessary? And anyway, I disagree: having a theme is always good for pages such as these. Regards, —Celestianpower háblame 18:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
They're not italics: I accidentally added an extra apostrophe to "you'll". :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:58, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is named "forum" after the ancient Roman Forum. It is mentioned on the page, and I hope that will clear up any misunderstandings (or most, anyway). The page also clearly states what is not acceptable. As for merging the two programs with it, I think it sounds like a good idea. I will create the forum now, and later if and when we decide to merge, we can deal with it then. :)  Shardsofmetal  02:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good - • The Giant Puffin • 17:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The page has been created at Wikipedia:Esperanza/Editors' Forum.  Shardsofmetal  03:09, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Final thanks to everyone

Hello everyone. I just wanted to leave a brief message here to let everyone know that no matter what the new structure of leadership may be, I will not be running for re-election; in addition, even if terms are extended due to delayed elections, I will be stepping down from the council on January 1st, when my original term expires. This is due to a combination of being burnt out as well as being very busy IRL. While I have been relatively inactive the past few months, I hope I will be able to commit more time to tne encyclopedia once I get settled into my new job and location in the next month or two.

I'd like to thank everyone for being so supportive during the last six months. I feel like I was able to accomplish a few things, even though some of those have been derailed by the MfD aftermath. I hope that I will still be able to do a few community building activities, including admin coaching, though I imagine I will be much more in the background of this organization than I have been in the past 11 months. For those of you taking up the reigns of Esperanza, I wish you the very best of luck; though our programs and our relationship to the encyclopedia may change, please always remember that Esperanza was founded on camaraderie and hope. The day we forget that Wikipedia is not only an encyclopedia but also a community is the day when the true spirit of Wikipedia begins to fall apart. I always urge you to go beyond mere civility and strive to be friendly, helpful, and supportive of your fellow editors. Once again, thank you for everything, and I wish all of you the best of luck in all your endeavors, Wikipedia-related and beyond. Cheers, EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 08:47, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We will all miss you; come back soon! WikieZach| talk 13:04, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good luck, come back some time and catch up with everything and update us on your situation - • The Giant Puffin • 17:38, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I do hope you come back in the near future!--Ed ¿Cómo estás? 00:54, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar Brigade?

My apologies, as I have been busy editing and RC patrolling for a few months. Just wondering, why were programs such as the Barnstar Brigade deleted? Were they all deemed inappropriate while I was away working? I dunno...but Esperanza is not bringing a lot of "esperanza" my way with these overhauls and no clarity nor statements as to why these cuts have been made. I was a bit disappointed by lack of response to this question here as well [1]. Back to work for me... -Kukini 02:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Go to Wikipedia:Esperanza/Overhauls. The discussions are quite inactive now, but are kept for historical reference.--Ed ¿Cómo estás? 02:30, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Esperanza

As a new comer to esperanza I thought I'd stop by and give others a chance to welcome me. ;-)

Actually, I wanted to make a comment which I think will be encouraging to everyone here, not only in this group but in all of Wikipedia.

I spent a lot of time over at Uncyclopediaand finally lost much of my enthusiasm for what I thought would be a fun place to do some editing and contributing. It's supposed to be a fun place, but I've been left with the impression that most of the administrators there are a very cliquish who seem to get some kind of enjoyment out of making outsiders feel unwelcome. On the other hand, I've found a lot more support and welcome here at Wikipedia even though I have run into some other users who I've not shared the same views, I still feel much more welcomed and at home even without the Esperanza group. I hope I can make a positive contribution to your efforts, even though my time is limited and my visits may be sporadic. --JAXHERE | Talk 02:04, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That is great to hear! It's nice to know the Wikipedia community is very welcoming to other users.--Ed ¿Cómo estás? 02:28, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Jolly good! I'm glad to hear this as well. Dar-Ape 03:52, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome! Good to have you with us. Thanks for the nice comment about us! Best wishes, Jam01 08:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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