Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guandan

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The result was keep. After new sources presented by Cunard, which after a relist were upheld. (non-admin closure) Britishfinance (talk) 17:54, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Guandan

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Lacks significant coverage by reliable sources needed to meet WP:GNG DannyS712 (talk) 01:07, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. DannyS712 (talk) 01:08, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. DannyS712 (talk) 01:08, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I can't read the Chinese or evaluate the sources. But they look plausible. Does the nom have more information about those sources? Hobit (talk) 17:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The version I nominated didn't have any sources, but I don't see them as significant in depth coverage DannyS712 (talk) 20:33, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amkgp 💬 01:58, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or merge to poker (under variants). I try to have some humility around non-American games, and it's possible this really is a phenomenon. But much of the article is about detailed rules and game guide style information, which is something that wikipedia is not. Jontesta (talk) 19:37, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.

"Over 6,000 people play Guandan games in Hongze". Jschina. 2016-06-12. Archived from the original on 2020-07-12. Retrieved 2020-07-12.
"Most people playing a card game simultaneously". Guinness World Records. Archived from the original on 2020-07-12. Retrieved 2020-07-12.
"《掼蛋传习》新书发布会暨中国掼蛋文化高峰论坛在南京举行" [The launch of the new book "The Egg-Breaking Practice" and the China Egg-Break Culture Summit Forum were held in Nanjing] (in Chinese). Xinhua News Agency. 2019-12-08. Archived from the original on 2020-07-12. Retrieved 2020-07-12.
蔡志明 (2017-04-16). ""淮安掼蛋" 有了统一国标" ["Huai'an Egg" has a unified national standard]. Xinhua News Agency. Archived from the original on 2020-07-12. Retrieved 2020-07-12.
张家然 (2017-04-11). "江苏出台"掼蛋"规则背后：对裁判进行培训，今年办全省赛事" [Behind the introduction of Jiangsu's "Egg-breaking" rules: training of referees, this year's provincial competitions]. zh:澎湃新闻 (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2020-07-12. Retrieved 2020-07-12.
王瑞芳 (2019-11-25). "掼蛋赢"宝马"——第一届掼蛋世界超级联赛总决赛完美收官" [Egg-breaking wins "BMW"-the first egg-breaking World Super League finals] (in Chinese). China Internet Information Center. Archived from the original on 2020-07-12. Retrieved 2020-07-12.

Sources with quotes

"Over 6,000 people play Guandan games in Hongze". Jschina. 2016-06-12. Archived from the original on 2020-07-12. Retrieved 2020-07-12.
The article notes:
As a kind of poker game, Guandan originated in Huaian city years ago and got widely spread across China, becoming the favorite poker game of the general public at present.
"Most people playing a card game simultaneously". Guinness World Records. Archived from the original on 2020-07-12. Retrieved 2020-07-12.
The article notes:
The most people playing a card game simultaneously is 2992 and was achieved by Huai'an Guandan Culture Association (China) in Huai'an, Jiangsu, China on 16 October 2016.
"《掼蛋传习》新书发布会暨中国掼蛋文化高峰论坛在南京举行" [The launch of the new book "The Egg-Breaking Practice" and the China Egg-Break Culture Summit Forum were held in Nanjing] (in Chinese). Xinhua News Agency. 2019-12-08. Archived from the original on 2020-07-12. Retrieved 2020-07-12.
From Google Translate:
Egg-breaking is a poker game that originated in Huai'an, Jiangsu. On December 8th, the release of the new book "Hanging Eggs" and the China Egg-breaking Culture Summit Forum were held in Nanjing. The event was co-sponsored by Nanjing Radio and TV Station, Modern Express and China Egg Research Institute.
Li Dansheng, the author of "Die Egg Biography", is the dean of China Egg Egg Research Institute. According to Li Dansheng's introduction at the conference of the new book, the book "Breaking Eggs" is divided into "Basics", "Improvement" and "Expansion". Among them, "Basic" focuses on the basic rules of egg-breaking, analyzes the rules of card type, summarizes and refines the endgame formula, and designs card examples and exercises similar to the Go-and-Go game; "Enhancement" explains the game of egg-breaking In essence, it puts forward the concepts of communication theory and sign language, and does research on the memory method of the egg-handed game; "Expansion" goes beyond the hand of the game and introduces Sun Zi's art of war and game theory into the egg-handed game. Reveal the relationship between egg-breaking game strategy and human wisdom thought.
蔡志明 (2017-04-16). ""淮安掼蛋" 有了统一国标" ["Huai'an Egg" has a unified national standard]. Xinhua News Agency. Archived from the original on 2020-07-12. Retrieved 2020-07-12.
The article notes that the Chess and Card Sports Management Center of the General Administration of Sport of China released a national standard for Guandan, that Guandan was started in the Huai'an District of Huai'an City in the 1960s, that it became popular among Chinese citizens, that over 20 million people play the game in just the Jiangsu and Anhui provinces, and that 16 TV stations created programs about Guandan.
张家然 (2017-04-11). "江苏出台"掼蛋"规则背后：对裁判进行培训，今年办全省赛事" [Behind the introduction of Jiangsu's "Egg-breaking" rules: training of referees, this year's provincial competitions]. zh:澎湃新闻 (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2020-07-12. Retrieved 2020-07-12.
From Google Translate:
"Broken Egg" originated from the people of Jiangsu Province, and is widely circulated in Jiangsu and surrounding provinces and cities. It is a mass sports project that uses playing cards as equipment and four pairs of pairs to conduct intellectual confrontation. The game ends with the player’s hand and decides to upgrade, and how much the two sides upgrade determines the outcome.
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In February 2016, the 2016 International Intellectual Sports Federation Intellectual Sports Classic started in Huai'an, Jiangsu. On this comprehensive intellectual sports event platform that represents the highest level in the world, "Broken Egg" as the performance of this event, for the first time on the international competition stage. The three sessions of the International Intellectual Sports League Intellectual Sports Classic from 2017 to 2019 will still be held in Huai'an, which will facilitate the popularization and promotion of the "Broken Egg".
王瑞芳 (2019-11-25). "掼蛋赢"宝马"——第一届掼蛋世界超级联赛总决赛完美收官" [Egg-breaking wins "BMW"-the first egg-breaking World Super League finals] (in Chinese). China Internet Information Center. Archived from the original on 2020-07-12. Retrieved 2020-07-12.
From Google Translate:
In recent years, the egg that originated in Huai'an, Jiangsu, is gradually changing from a folk grassroots entertainment project to a national fitness program promoted by the government, and has embarked on a professional and industrialized development path. The "Egg Egg Economy" has also been out of Huai'an. In Jiangsu, Anhui and even further away, it has accurately targeted the consumer groups who can pay for this game. Fan Songli, the founder of the "1312 Big Game" game platform, made the egg-breaking industry and cooperated with a number of TV stations to promote the development of the egg-breaking business. Many professionals who beat eggs are aware of the "1312 big name" game platform.

There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Guandan to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

Cunard (talk) 11:00, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Guandan corresponds to the Chinese Wikipedia article zh:掼蛋. Some of the quotes below are translated from Chinese to English Google Translate.
From Xinhua News Agency, "Egg-breaking (Guandan) is a poker game that originated in Huai'an, Jiangsu. On December 8th, the release of the new book "Hanging Eggs" and the China Egg-breaking Culture Summit Forum were held in Nanjing. The event was co-sponsored by Nanjing Radio and TV Station, Modern Express and China Egg Research Institute." In 2019, a book was published about Guandan.
From another Xinhua News Agency article, the Chess and Card Sports Management Center of the General Administration of Sport of China released a national standard for Guandan in 2017, Guandan was started in the Huai'an District of Huai'an City in the 1960s, Guandan became popular among Chinese citizens, over 20 million people play the game in just the Jiangsu and Anhui provinces, and 16 TV stations created programs about Guandan.
From zh:澎湃新闻, "'Broken Egg' (Guandan) originated from the people of Jiangsu Province, and is widely circulated in Jiangsu and surrounding provinces and cities. It is a mass sports project that uses playing cards as equipment and four pairs of pairs to conduct intellectual confrontation. The game ends with the player’s hand and decides to upgrade, and how much the two sides upgrade determines the outcome."
From the China Internet Information Center, "In recent years, the egg (Guandan) that originated in Huai'an, Jiangsu, is gradually changing from a folk grassroots entertainment project to a national fitness program promoted by the government, and has embarked on a professional and industrialized development path."
From Jschina: "As a kind of poker game, Guandan originated in Huaian city years ago and got widely spread across China, becoming the favorite poker game of the general public at present."
From Guinness World Records, "The most people playing a card game simultaneously is 2992 and was achieved by Huai'an Guandan Culture Association (China) in Huai'an, Jiangsu, China on 16 October 2016."
Cunard (talk) 11:00, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:40, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

keep per sources found by Cunard. Hobit (talk) 06:49, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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