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Wales national football team results 1920–1939

Featured list candidates/Wales national football team results 1920–1939/archive1

Nominator(s): Kosack (talk) 14:07, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I already have one active nomination, but it currently has three supports, a source review and no outstanding comments, so I believe it's OK for me to open up the next one. List number 3 of the Wales results series is ready to go now I feel and follows the same format as the previous two. Thanks to HawkAussie for doing much of the grunt work in converting the table before I got there. I look forward to any comments. Kosack (talk) 14:07, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"They went on to win the competition for only the second time in the nation's history after drawing with Scotland before defeating England for the first time since 1882" - bit of a long and tangled clause, suggest a re-write
The above sentence also doesn't say what year this refers to. I presume it's 1920, following on from the previous sentence, but "they went on to....." could refer to a later year
"The 1938–39 British Home Championship was the final hosting of the tournament before World War I" - spot the typo (or temporal anomaly :-))
"Of the 62 matches Wales played during this period, they won 22: 8 against England" - any chance you could reword that so it doesn't look at a quick glance like they won an incredibly high-scoring game against England?
If the game in 1933 against France was the first time Wales had ever played non-British opposition, I would mention it far more prominently than in the last sentence, where it comes across a bit like an afterthought.....
Think that's it from me -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:49, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: Thanks for taking a look Chris, I've had a crack at fixing the above points. Let me know what you think. Kosack (talk) 19:20, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support - nice one :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:33, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Harrias

NB: I am competing in the WikiCup and may claim points for this review.

Sorry I missed the last list, but it looks like you got it sorted anyway!

"..dubbed "Keenor and the ten unknowns".." By whom?
"..achieved a creditable draw with Scotland.." The use of "creditable" here is an opinion and needs attribution.
"..with Wales playing.." Avoid the Noun plus -ing|noun plus -ing construction used here.
"The 1938–39 British Home Championship was the final hosting of the tournament before World War II, with Wales playing their final match of the period against France in May 1939. They had played France on one occasion beforehand, in May 1933, the first time Wales had faced a team other than the Home Nations." I understand why you've done it this way, but writing about the final match of the period, and then going back to discuss a match in 1933 feels odd, I wonder consider swapping these sentences around, and checking how the flow is then.
Is there photo from the era we can use in the top right, above the navbox?

Overall, great work: the prose is well-written, the table works brilliantly and meets all the requirements of MOS:ACCESS. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 16:02, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Harrias: Thanks for taking a look. I've rewritten the parts you picked out above, let me know what you think. In regards to an image, there's not much freely available. Most of the images hosted on Commons for this era didn't make it through a previous FAC review, so probably aren't appropriate. Kosack (talk) 21:26, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support no worries, I guessed that might be the case. A shame, but not unsurprising for the era. Nice work as usual! Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 06:15, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Couldn't find anything to pick you up on. ~ HAL333([2]) 17:49, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - Pass

If you're including a location for Stead, you should include one for Oliver

Added. Kosack (talk) 10:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The ways the references stand now make it unclear where the information for either table is sourced from, this needs to be addressed somehow otherwise the reader would not be sure where to go to verify the information in the tables Aza24 (talk) 01:57, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Aza24: Addressed the two points above. I accidentally combined the refs rather than splitting into the statistics/general format used in previous lists. Kosack (talk) 10:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kosack, I would say its best to move the statistics citations next to the table (as inline citations) so they're clearly available for the reader. You could opt to do so like List of operas by Carl Maria von Weber#List of operas with a reference after the table name, or like the bottom of List of presidents of the United States#Presidents as examples; at the very a least a note at the top of the table referring to the statistics section as the references would suffice. Aza24 (talk) 05:27, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Added a note directing readers to the statistics section below. Kosack (talk) 08:19, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that, everything looks good now. I found no reliability issues or further formatting issues. Pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 07:35, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TRM

" in their remaining games secured the second Home Championship in Wales' history in the 1919–20 tournament." reorg: " in their remaining games in the 1919–20 tournament secured the second Home Championship in Wales' history."
"release Welsh players" explain: "for international competition" or similar.
" in which Wales" -> "where Wales"
"conceding 17 goals in the process and scoring only 2 in reply." -> "conceding 17 goals while scoring just 2" or similar.
Link "non-League".
" before being replaced by more senior players" odd phrasing. I guess you mean the Welsh team had more senior players in the next match but this is a little unclear.
" 8 against England and Ireland and 6 against" ->" 8 against both England and Ireland, and 6 against"
Tynecastle Park doesn't need to be piped.
Gibson, Fowler and O'Callaghan piped to redirects.

That's it for me. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 00:03, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: Thanks for the review, I've addressed all of the points above. Let me know what you think. Kosack (talk) 08:17, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support my concerns addressed. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 10:06, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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