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Martin Perreault

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Photographer whose main (perhaps only?) claim to notability is tastefully photographing his improbably curvacious girlfriend (who also has a WP article: Bianca Beauchamp) in latex or bikinis or whatever for magazines of the kinds that I suppose come sealed in cellophane (no evidence supplied) and websites. Mentions of and links to the latter abound. No independent verification is supplied (WP:V) for anything but the websites, there's no hint of notability per WP:BIO, and the article (the interests of whose contributors seem limited to Perreault and Beauchamp) has a whiff of promotion about it. Hoary 02:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


REPLY TO THE ABOVE: This profile is as valid as any other. The above statement is pure discrimination against the work that I do.

My credentials can be easily verified online. A simple search on Google with my name will show articles about my work (notably from eros-zine online) and more searches will show LOTS about model Bianca Beauchamp, who is internationally known. Evidence is supplied many times, on both profiles. Googling any of the two names will provide anyone with more than enough information on the validity of these profiles. Further more, a list of all publications I have done can be found here: http://www.martinperreault.com/magazines.html . Each editor can be contacted to verify my credentials. Yes, I do shoot my "curvacious girlfriend". An article about someone should not be deleted on the simple fact that a viewer dislikes the art produced by the artist(s). A forum full of people who know about my work can be found here: http://forum.biancabeauchamp.com . This profile is not about self promotion. Fans started this page and I help them fix it with correct details. The same aplpies for profile Bianca Beauchamp, to which I only started contributing lightly very recently, even though her profile has existed for over 2 years. My involvement to both profiles is only to make sure of the validity of the information posted. For example, images users have posted on these two profiles were deleted due to copyright infringement; but by posting the same pictures myself, and by adding the information that I shot them, it makes them legit. The simple fact that my username on Wikipedia is the same as my real name shows that I do not hide behind a false name, like others might do to self promote. My involvement is to make sure the information posted is accurate. I can be contacted on my website www.martinperreault.com or on model BiancaBeauchamp.com website. I invite anyone here to contact the editors of the following magazines to verify the above information: Bizarre Magazine (UK) www.bizarremag.com to which I shot their covers 5 times in 2 years; Skin Two Magazine (UK) www.skintwo.com to which I shot their cover 2 times and featured in them many times. Marquis Magazine (www.marquis.de) for which I shot their cover 2 times in two years, _ many features. Penthouse Australia for which I shot their cover feature last year. Playboy Enterprise (www.playboyse.com) for which I shot a feature in Playboy SE in 2006 with model Bianca Beauchamp (who appeared many times in Playboy SE and on their cover of the Lingerie Edition). I think this should be more than enough to prove the validity of this profile. Martin Perreault - www.martinperreault.com 04:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The article doesn't assert as to why he's notable, and appears to be somewhat autobiographical - possible POV issues, as it were. Excellent photography, though - but as has been demonstrated so many times, I like it is not a good reason to keep. Note to Martin, please remember to be civil in this discussion, and feel free to ask questions. My advice: change our minds. --Dennisthe2 04:22, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment/response: An article about someone should not be deleted on the simple fact that a viewer dislikes the art produced by the artist(s). Strong agreement! And two comments. First, the visual evidence presented here shows that Perreault has a fine sense of light and how to use it; he seems to be an excellent photographer and my guess, fwiw, is that he'll go far. I hope he does. Secondly, while latex doesn't happen to be my thing, I've nothing against photos of pneumatic girls in bikinis, especially when the bikinis are much too small. So as it happens I don't dislike the art. ¶ However, this doesn't (yet) add up to notability or verifiability. It's unusual, to say the least, to say that verification can and should be sought by direct appeal to publishers. For other photographers, the verification is out there on independent, credible websites, in published books, etc. -- Hoary 04:30, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment These aren't "profiles" but "articles", and if there are perceptions that this is anything like myspace or the like than that is certainly incorrect. That being said, while the sources stated may be able to provide validation (although we'll need to cite sources that are accessible to a reader though, as far as I know); I don't believe those are enough to provide notability? Simply being the fact that you were a part of these things doesn't mean you are notable, and while you can personally verify a lot of information, it needs to be verifiable through reliable 3rd party sources. I haven't looked enough at the topic to know if that is possible, but if it is, and it is accomplished, I would have no objection to the article, as it is now, it needs to assert notability and verifiably prove statements. 66.159.174.217 05:38, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. I have nothing against latex. Article does not cite reliable sources. Fails WP:BIO, WP:SELF and WP:V. Even if Bianca Beauchamp is notable, being her photographer does not make one notable by association. IchiAi is a single purpose account, and article may fail WP:COI. Ohconfucius 08:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Should be perhaps moved to his user page? If not possible, leaning towards delete. Nice photos though. --Ouro 11:47, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Keep: Don't agree with reasons stated for deletion. Atom 13:14, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Martin Perreault might not be (yet) a worldwide celebrity, but he’s definitely a world known and one of the most appreciated photographers in a certain (fetish) subculture. To address the issues mentioned above:
    WP:BIO, reliable 3rd party sources:With time I believe Wikipedia have grown from a pure scientific encyclopedia to something bigger. There are many articles about politics, art and other fields of human existence, where a reliable source is not as clearly defined as in the guideline targeting mainly science. Still the mentioned magazines and e-magazines – repeated publishing inside them and even being author of several of their covers, so as covers of several books, that all IMHO is a good sign of notability. Another sign of notability should be that several other world famous fetish models worked with Martin Perrault and they include his work in their portfolio. (The links to Internet incarnations of some of the mentioned magazines and models: Skin Two, Marquis, Playboy, Bizarre Magazine, Penthouse, Julie Strain, Jean Bardot,Emily Marilyn, Darenzia, Storm, Sway, Masuimi Max).
    WP:V): Isn’t this a catch XXII a little – especially in case of an article about a person. It’s not correct to write a biography about a person until somebody writes a biography about the person. Still in several articles about and/or interviews with him I read his short bio – if it’s enough.
    The fact that Martin Perrault contributes to the article himself was addressed already but allow me to repeat it. If you observe his edits, you will notice they serve to accurate some information and to ensure the legal use of photos. Does it fall under WP:SELF – I would say not.
    IchiAi being a single purpose account is not true. I know the person, so I can assure you –as far as you will believe me - he contributed to several articles, but created his account only when decided to write a completely new entry to Wikipedia. And something very similar applies to me. Naturally we edit only what is in the field of our interest.
    Using word "profile" instead "article": not everybody is a native speaker and/or everyday contributor to Wikipedia (like me for example). Then it can easily happen such person don’t use a best expression.
    And a final note to Hoary: Even tough you tell you are not against this kind of photography some of your words in the first paragraph hints otherwise. Why that personal and disparage remarks? .... posted by Rikapt (contributions), who didn't sign

— Rikapt (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
—- Now what? Do you suspect I am Martin Perreault? No, I am not - but you will not believe me anyway... --Rikapt 16:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • (i) The links to Internet incarnations of some of the mentioned magazines and models: Links to the websites of the magazines prove nothing. What might be interesting would be links to specific pages on those websites in which Perreault is described as the photographer of this or that. But note WP:BIO on notable photographers: "Published [...] photographers who received multiple independent reviews of or awards for their work." (ii) It’s not correct to write a biography about a person until somebody writes a biography about the person. Essentially yes, that's right: WP:NOR. (iii) Why that personal and disparage remarks? What's at issue here is not me but the article. But OK, I'll bite: How were my remarks disparaging? (Please tell me on my talk page rather than cluttering up this page. Thanks.) -- Hoary 14:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sorry I forgot to sign. It was not my intention to post the text anonymously (would have done it little smarter anyway ;-) ). Thank you Hoary for adding the information before I remembered to do it myself, also the link to my contributions is nice - does it mean anything?
      (i) Such content you required is in payed zone so it can't be linked directly. Does it not count then? And how to prove the appearance in paper versions of the magazines you don't know?
      (iii)I am aware it's of lesser or no importance in the issue. Still somebody pointed out Martin to react in civil way, so maybe he failed to notice your initial style might have initiate that reaction. (more on your talk page). --Rikapt 14:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete no substantive claim to notability. A great way to earn a living, but without solid evidence that he's been the primary subject of multiple non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources, he fails to meet WP:BIO. Guy (Help!) 15:00, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Addition OK I took the effort and "googled" for some 3rd party reference of Martin Perreault (was not hard to do):
    * Eros Zine (mentioned many times but this is and article about him)
    * Jaxon Jaganov's review - especially the 6th and 7th paragraph
    * Flasbot
    * Fetish Design
    * Carbelle (in French)
    * Club Sin
    * X3Guide
    * model Darenzia's web
    * Crazy Rubber
    * Chapitre étudiant École Polytechnique reunion (PDF in French).
    More needed? Rikapt 15:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Guy's reasoning (notability is in no way established). Mr. Perrault, please find another place to promote your works. | Mr. Darcy talk 16:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Guy. I've seen this sort of stuff before, but at least the Musikfabrik articles weren't so obviously promotion, this is grossly so. Vanity as well, at a guess, so we have WP:AUTO problems. Moreschi Deletion! 16:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Martin Perreault is an accomplished photographer and his work impacts not only the fetish world, but the world of, say, gamers - as it was his photography and work with Bianca that allowed her to become the "living model" of Elexis Sinclair in promotion of Ritual's "Sin Episodes" game series. I believe his work has significance and he has credibility and esteem enough to warrant a wiki article, which is why I started an account, so I could add this article. I have been an anonymous contributor to Wiki for some time, and I am a little annoyed that simply because I was required to start an account in order to create a new article, it is assumed that I have not contributed before. Is it not clear from the layout of the page (there was help from others - this too, is evidence that Mr. Perreault has a fan following and deserves a Wiki page) that this is a serious attempt to start an informative, biographical article? How much space does this take from Wiki? Any move against this article is, to my mind, simply puritanical cleansing and censorship. Please reconsider. IchiAi 17:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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