Talk:Old School RuneScape

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Ironman Mode

I'm genuinely curious as to why this article's section on "ironman mode" contains a reference to World of Warcraft. For starters, the reference is uncited. This makes it the result of original research. It either needs to have a citation or be removed.

Secondly, while I personally may be aware that a tiny minority of players of WoW participate in the "ironman" style of play, most players, even within the broader WoW community, would not. It's not something that's broadly well-known within World of Warcraft, and it's not something people outside the WoW community would hear and immediately associate with WoW. In fact, my experience with "ironman mode" goes all the way back to Diablo and Diablo 2, and I'm certain that other communities either independently came up with the idea or that the Diablo/Diablo 2 communities were possibly inspired by a way of playing or ruleset similar to what was used in those games from another game or community. That is to say, it's not an exclusively WoW concept, nor is it well known within WoW, it did not originate within WoW, nor is it known outside of WoW as a particularly WoW-centric idea. So even in-context the reference makes no sense.

I fully admit that I know basically nothing about Runescape. If the Runescape developers explicitly stated they were inspired to add it by the niche community within WoW, then someone should find a reference to them saying that link to it as the citation for that text. But without that citation, the reference to WoW serves literally no purpose and helps no one. 67.8.105.43 (talk) 22:53, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, looking at how recently that section was modified, and that reference added, and the seeming lack of care with which it was added, I'm just going to delete the reference. 67.8.105.43 (talk) 22:59, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Player number graph

I removed the player number graph as it's fan-driven with no official support by Jagex. Claims of this nature need real third-party reliable sources; as it's not really any different than Steam Spy or a number of other similar websites. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:07, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The graph you mentioned might be the one that i just added in the introduction to back the claim that OSRS has more players than RS3. Although its unofficial the site has a tweet by MODAsh on it. So not fully reliable, but probably interesting and accurate enough for its purpose. Asabiyya (talk) 15:01, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

This article was nominated for merging with RuneScape on 19 August 2018. The result of the discussion (permanent link) was Keep.

This article doesn't show that Old School RuneScape is notable in a way RuneScape 3 is. There's no doubt that they look different, but they still have the same gameplay. Everything in this article excluding the gamemodes is the same as the RuneScape article even though it's written differently. However, the gamemodes in RuneScape 3 are also similar. Moreover, some of the sources in this article were dead or unreliable, so they have been removed, bringing the total number of references down to eight. The redirects for "Old School RuneScape" and "OSRS" appear to be changed for a few months without significant expansion. If other editors can improve this article, then this proposal shouldn't be a thing. --Will Be Continued (talk) 21:49, 19 August 2018 (UTC); edited 23:50, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose They should stay seperated

They're different games
Jagex advertises them as such
Different development teams
Different section on Twitch. --Scuzzy Beta (talk) 01:13, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose No, Old School RuneScape is a completely separate entity in every way. This is a completely separate game in both the eyes of the players and the eyes of the company that makes it. It's actually become Jagex's most popular one, too. This really says a lot, considering it originally started as a basement project. So, during its early months, I would have said yes. But not now. The game has grown beyond RS3, generated its own content, its own gameplay, and its own community. If you're going by the logic of merging a smaller thing into its bigger sibling, I'd be ok with moving RS3 into this article. But not this one into that one. Old School RuneScape has long since earned the notability of having its own separate article from the game it was inspired by years ago. If you remove references, you should find an archive of them rather than suddenly proposing deleting the article because the references are gone. There's plenty of great references. Even recent ones, with that economic bug that spawned max cash stacks for everyone recently:

Wikinium (talk) 17:31, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As a player I can attest that they are very much different games despite being related, just like how sequels and prequels typically are, not only in terms of gameplay but the opinions of the developers and the playerbase. The article is relatively new compared to its sibling so the content might not be exactly as in-depth, but I think it calls for the page to be improved rather than merged. --laagone ^(talk) 18:26, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Wikinium, but I don't agree with "I'd be ok with moving RS3 into this article" because the same logic would apply for merging it the other way. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:36, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Official player data

The graph that was removed actually is official data. It's directly from the player counters that are provided on both of Jagex's websites. Wikinium (talk) 04:19, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Concurrent players of Old School RuneScape (light blue) compared to RuneScape 3 (grey) from 2013 to mid-2018

I think this should probably be re-added back if the numbers are sourced directly from the official website and just presented in a historical graph. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:41, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RuneLite

@Wikinium: Your sourcing for this section fails WP:IS, as firsthand posts from the RuneLite devs do not establish notability. In addition, Reddit and Twitch (and somsubhra, although I've never heard of it before) do not count as reliable sources at all. This doesn't belong even if it was properly sourced, as all of this has more to do with Jagex's policies than the game itself. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 07:54, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know the specifics. That's fine, I'll wait for better sources since the project is just starting to get press attention. Also, I would argue if Jagex weighed in on whether or not RuneLite was allowed as per their policy, that would actually make it more notable for inclusion on this page. Wikinium (talk) 20:31, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I still disagree with that though, at least with the amount of info you were adding. A passing mention or so could be used in a general sense (by saying the game has popular, unofficial third-party clients), but any controversy/legal matters belongs on the Jagex page instead because it goes behind the scope of the game itself. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 22:01, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bad sources for release section

"In response to the declining player base and negative update reception of the original and then-current version of RuneScape,[8][9]" 8 and 9 don't provide any information on why osrs was released, especially not what it was in response to. No mention of a youtube content creator spear-heading his own poll nor the rising popularity of illegitimate private servers. As someone who who played through rs3's eoc until osrs release and participated in the polls, I'm aware of what happened. Jagex released a poll that everyone could spam (no check to see if u already voted, no login required) because they knew the players were already going to come due to seeing the success of private servers and the previous campaign on youtube. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:1B04:52E8:4538:1D8D:5D99:B42C (talk) 09:06, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mining Lvl 40

I just got level 40 in mining so now I can mine gold. What level mining are you guys? 02:32, 24 December 2020 (UTC)