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This redesign has now replaced the main portal page, due to the overwhelming support on the [[Portal:Current events/Redesign|redesign page]]. [[User:Joturner|joturn]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User:Joturner|r]] 02:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
This redesign has now replaced the main portal page, due to the overwhelming support on the [[Portal:Current events/Redesign|redesign page]]. [[User:Joturner|joturn]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User:Joturner|r]] 02:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

==Straw Polls==
This straw polls were copied from [[Portal talk:Current events/Redesign]]: [[User:Joturner|joturn]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User:Joturner|r]] 02:52, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

===Time of Archival===
;Daily Archives
This is the method displayed on this purpose whereby only a certain number of days (in this case, seven) are displayed on the main portal page and rest are on their respective monthly pages.
# [[User:Joturner|joturn]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User:Joturner|r]] 01:09, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:the wub|the wub]] [[User_talk:The wub|<font color="green">"?!"</font>]] 22:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:NCurse|NCurse]]<sub> [[User talk:NCurse|work]]</sub> 05:59, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Batmanand|Batmanand]] | [[User talk:Batmanand|Talk]] 09:30, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Kayaker|Kayaker]] 01:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

;Monthly Archives
This is the current method on [[Portal:Current events]] and the former [[Current events]]. All the events for the month are kept on the main portal page until the end of the month when all of the months events are moved to another article (with the chronological order changed from forward to backward). The main portal page is cleared for the next month.

===Location of Archival===
;Article Space
As currently: [[June 2006]], [[May 2006]], etc.
#[[User:Batmanand|Batmanand]] | [[User talk:Batmanand|Talk]] 09:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC). They will, in the future, need to be wikified, but the material in them is encyclopaedic.
# [[User:Kayaker|Kayaker]] 01:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC) (agree with [[User:Batmanand]])

;Portal Space
As such: [[Portal:Current events/July 2006]], [[Portal:Current events/August 2006]]. etc.

;Both
The full archives would be kept in portal space, but a shorter summary of the month should go into the article space.
# [[User:Joturner|joturn]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User:Joturner|r]] 01:09, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:'''Comment''': It would be hard to maintain such a system (especially sicne this resembles double book-keeping). -- [[User:Evanx|<sup><b><font color="brown">Evanx</font></b></sup>]]<small>([[User_talk:Evanx|tag?]])</small> 13:08, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

===Date format of name subpages===
What should be the date format of the sub-pages: US-format, ISO-format or European format?

'''ISO: Portal:Current events/2006-07-01'''
The ISO format has the advantage of automatically chronologic sorting.

# Seems the most neutral. --[[User:Donarreiskoffer|Donar Reiskoffer]] 10:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
#: <s>I'm indifferent. [[User:Joturner|joturn]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User:Joturner|r]] 10:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC)</s>
# Ordered. [[User:Lcarsdata|L]]'''[[Special:Contributions/Lcarsdata|C]]'''[[Special:EmailUser/Lcarsdata|@]][[User:Lcarsdata|R]]'''[[User:Lcarsdata/Sandbox|S]]'''[[User:Lcarsdata|DA]]'''[[User_talk:Lcarsdata|T]]'''[[User:Lcarsdata|A]] 14:23, [[8 July]] [[2006]] (UTC)
#It's the only system which makes sense. --[[User:OldakQuill|Oldak]] [[User_talk:OldakQuill|Quill]] 19:58, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

'''US - Portal:Current events/July 1, 2006'''

'''European - Portal:Current Events/1 July 2006'''
* [[User:Batmanand|Batmanand]] | [[User talk:Batmanand|Talk]] 11:29, 6 July 2006 (UTC). ISO looks bad, and then you have arguments about whether it should be yyyy-mm-dd or yyyy-dd-mm, or mm-dd-yyyy, or dd-mm-yyyy. I go for European, cos it is the clearest, the easiest to type (no punctuation); and hell, I ''am'' a European!
:The [[ISO 8601|ISO format '''is''' YYYY-MM-DD]]. Your alternatives are no ISO formats. --[[User:Donarreiskoffer|Donar Reiskoffer]] 13:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
::Fair enough, although I still think it can cause confusion about whether it is YYYY-MM-DD or YYYY-DD-MM (even if the first is correct, that does not proclude confusion). [[User:Batmanand|Batmanand]] | [[User talk:Batmanand|Talk]] 13:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

'''ISO Variant - Portal:Current events/2006 July 1'''
# This is used on [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion]] and the use of a month name removes ambiguity and assists in user-friendliness. [[User:Joturner|joturn]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User:Joturner|r]] 01:50, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

;Use wikified month and day only
Use [[July 8]], [[July 9]], etc. Solve ISO vs. Euro vs. U.S. issue by wikifying month and year as in current version, which supports [[m:Help:Preferences#Date format|readers' date preferences]] and conforms to [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Dates containing a month and a day]].
# [[User:Kayaker|Kayaker]] 01:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
#: That's not possible. This is about the location of the subpages ([[Portal:Current events/July 8, 2006]], [[Portal:Current events/8 July 2006]], or [[Portal:Current events/2006-07-08]]). [[User:Joturner|joturn]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User:Joturner|r]] 01:47, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
::My mistake. What I am really voting for to have the portal contents honor [[m:Help:Preferences#Date format|readers' date preferences]] one way or another. As a contributor of events I can deal with any naming scheme for the portal subpages. [[User:Kayaker|Kayaker]] 02:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC).

Revision as of 02:52, 12 July 2006

Previous discussions: (See Talk:Current events)

Archives: Archive 1

Redesign Replacement

This redesign has now replaced the main portal page, due to the overwhelming support on the redesign page. joturner 02:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Straw Polls

This straw polls were copied from Portal talk:Current events/Redesign: joturner 02:52, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Time of Archival

Daily Archives

This is the method displayed on this purpose whereby only a certain number of days (in this case, seven) are displayed on the main portal page and rest are on their respective monthly pages.

  1. joturner 01:09, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  2. the wub "?!" 22:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  3. NCurse work 05:59, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Batmanand | Talk 09:30, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Kayaker 01:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Monthly Archives

This is the current method on Portal:Current events and the former Current events. All the events for the month are kept on the main portal page until the end of the month when all of the months events are moved to another article (with the chronological order changed from forward to backward). The main portal page is cleared for the next month.

Location of Archival

Article Space

As currently: June 2006, May 2006, etc.

  1. Batmanand | Talk 09:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC). They will, in the future, need to be wikified, but the material in them is encyclopaedic.[reply]
  2. Kayaker 01:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC) (agree with User:Batmanand)[reply]
Portal Space

As such: Portal:Current events/July 2006, Portal:Current events/August 2006. etc.

Both

The full archives would be kept in portal space, but a shorter summary of the month should go into the article space.

  1. joturner 01:09, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It would be hard to maintain such a system (especially sicne this resembles double book-keeping). -- Evanx(tag?) 13:08, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Date format of name subpages

What should be the date format of the sub-pages: US-format, ISO-format or European format?

ISO: Portal:Current events/2006-07-01 The ISO format has the advantage of automatically chronologic sorting.

  1. Seems the most neutral. --Donar Reiskoffer 10:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm indifferent. joturner 10:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Ordered. LC@RSDATA 14:23, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
  3. It's the only system which makes sense. --Oldak Quill 19:58, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

US - Portal:Current events/July 1, 2006

European - Portal:Current Events/1 July 2006

  • Batmanand | Talk 11:29, 6 July 2006 (UTC). ISO looks bad, and then you have arguments about whether it should be yyyy-mm-dd or yyyy-dd-mm, or mm-dd-yyyy, or dd-mm-yyyy. I go for European, cos it is the clearest, the easiest to type (no punctuation); and hell, I am a European![reply]
The ISO format is YYYY-MM-DD. Your alternatives are no ISO formats. --Donar Reiskoffer 13:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, although I still think it can cause confusion about whether it is YYYY-MM-DD or YYYY-DD-MM (even if the first is correct, that does not proclude confusion). Batmanand | Talk 13:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ISO Variant - Portal:Current events/2006 July 1

  1. This is used on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion and the use of a month name removes ambiguity and assists in user-friendliness. joturner 01:50, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Use wikified month and day only

Use July 8, July 9, etc. Solve ISO vs. Euro vs. U.S. issue by wikifying month and year as in current version, which supports readers' date preferences and conforms to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Dates containing a month and a day.

  1. Kayaker 01:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    That's not possible. This is about the location of the subpages (Portal:Current events/July 8, 2006, Portal:Current events/8 July 2006, or Portal:Current events/2006-07-08). joturner 01:47, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
My mistake. What I am really voting for to have the portal contents honor readers' date preferences one way or another. As a contributor of events I can deal with any naming scheme for the portal subpages. Kayaker 02:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC).[reply]