Talk:Battle of Annaberg

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"Battle of Saint Anne's Mountain" seems to be original research to me; I have only heard of this referred to as the "Battle of (the) Annaberg" (Robert Citino's The German Way of War, as well as GB). Just because English words are used in a title does not mean that it is the title in English. That the mountain is named after Saint Anne can be mentioned, but the article should only be titled as such if reliable sources do so as well. Olessi (talk) 03:12, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Is this a reliable source? [1] I bet it is. We can present reliable sources for both German and Polish names of the battle, so let us stick to English. Tymek (talk) 04:44, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles are to be titled with the "the most easily recognized name"; recognizability is determined by reliable sources. I offered a few publications referring to this battle specifically as the "Battle of Annaberg". It is also known as the "Storming of (the) Annaberg" ([2][3]). Norman Davies writes, "Pitched battles, long since legendary, were fought at Góra Św. Anny (Annenberg) [sic]". I found one mention of the battle with the location translated into English, Historical Dictionary of Poland, 966-1945([4]); it does not refer to it as the "Battle of Saint Anne's Mountain". Our convention is not to be politically correct and choose an "English" name instead of a Polish or German name. Our convention is to refer to events by how they are most commonly known in English. In this case, it seems to be as the "Battle of Annaberg" or the "Storming of (the) Annaberg". Olessi (talk) 13:55, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

As Olessi predicted, the proper "Battle of Annaberg" is known to Google Books, just like "Battle of the Annaberg", and to Google Scholar as well "Battle of the Annaberg", while "Battle of Saint Anne's Mountain" is unknown to Google Books and Scholar, also in other spelling variants. And of course, the ahistorical naming "Battle of Gora Swietej Anny" is totally nonsensical, unknown even to Google itself. Of course, Piotrus did his usual moving, salting & taunting maneuver to prevent a move back, even though he has been warned several times not to do this. -- Matthead  Discuß   10:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

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Usage of English name, per WP:UE, seems like a reasonable compromise. The battle was much more important for the Poles than the Germans; the use of Polish name would be preferable to the German due to popularity in respective historiograpnies, but again I believe that the English name is a sensible compromise. If one disagree, please use WP:RM to move the article away from the name chosen by the creator of the article. PS. And please, no disruptive moves: [5] - in English, there is no "the" before the town names. What's next, "an Annaberg"? Please... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 00:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not talking about the mountain itself, but about the battle which occurred there in 1921. In English publications, this specific event is most commonly known as the "Battle of (the) Annaberg" or "Storming of (the) Annaberg", as far as I can tell. How the battle is known in Polish or German does not matter – we are concerned with how it is known in English. So far, no one has provided any sources referring to a "Battle of Saint Anne's Mountain". Including "the" in the title is a reference to a geographical feature (similar to the Matterhorn), not a reference to the convent or village. Olessi (talk) 00:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Interesting argument. Indeed, English historiography seems to use the German name. I am no longer opposing the Annaberg name, but I'd like to hear from more editors before this discussion ends (particularly from the article's creator, Tymek).--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 03:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Saint Anne's Mountain is in Canada, America

St.Anne's Mountain in google book search results in [http://books.google.com/books?lr=&q=St+Anne%27s+Mountain&btnG=Search+Books exclusive St. Anne's Mountains in Canada , America.

No books at all about St. Anne's mountain refer to Annaberg in Silesia and the Sturm auf Annaberg (storming of (St). Annaberg)

Trying to force the false Saint Anne's Mountain or Battle of Saint Anne's Mountain Wikipedia title seems to be a ploy to make the history of Annaberg, Silesia disappear and/or of spreading incorrect information in Wikipedia. It is O.R.Original Research, as Olessi already states. 71. 2. August 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.137.192.221 (talk) 17:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)