Talk:Mentor, Ohio

Bedder in Menner

Full disclosure: I am a former Mentorite (Go Cardinals!). I adjusted the previous pronunciation of "men-ter" to the more common "men-ner" because any "t" sound is so soft it's barely noticeable. This also helps with the slogan because "better" is actually pronounced (probabably regionally) as "bedder." MartyR 03:43, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

• I restored some text that I wrote earlier about pronunciation, since I have a backing source now. Mapsax 23:27, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Largest high school in Ohio

I'd be interested in seeing a source showing that Mentor is now the largest high school in Ohio. I don't necessarily doubt the claim (Mentor would certainly be a possible candidate for the title), but I seem to recall other schools (Findlay, Warren Harding) which have been the largest in Ohio in the recent past. Can anyone verify? -- SwissCelt 16:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

• Well, the High School's music department page says "The largest high school in the state of Ohio, Mentor High School is home to one of the most comprehensive music departments in the region." However, the "About" page says "With over 185 certified staff members serving 2,500 students, Mentor High School is one of the largest high schools in Ohio." Some confusion might be created between "largest school" and "largest three-year school." The answer is probably here somewhere. Mapsax 23:27, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

• • Followup: Well, the answer's there...sort of. You can find individual school enrollments from persumedly the 2005-'06 year here, but you have to search school by school. Mentor High School's enrollment according to that page was 2,460 (URL may expire), so if we can find an Ohio high school with more, Mentor therefore is not the biggest. Mapsax 00:24, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

• It's taken a bit, but I think I have the answer and the confusion is because of the number of grades (growing up it was always "Mentor's the largest high school in Ohio for 3 grades"). This is probably why Mentor HS itself says "one of the largest." The Ohio Department of Education site cited above has a Power User Reports option which I used. I chose -> 2005/2006 School Year -> School Type: High School. Because the information doesn't sort well, I exported it to a spreadsheet and then sorted by enrollment. 6 high schools show a larger enrollment. One I think we can discount because it's distance learning (Electronic Classroom of Tomorrow - 6,664 students). The others are grades 9-12, which I verified from their websites: Oak Hills HS (Cincinnati) - 2,954 students; Centerville HS (Centerville) - 2,784 students; Beavercreek HS (Beavercreek) - 2,619 students; William Mason HS (Mason) - 2,549 students; and Strongsville HS (Strongsville) - 2,536 students. Mentor HS had 2,460 students. The Ohio High School Athletic Association website has enrollment figures from 2004 which are used to figure tournaments for 2005-2007. I had to copy and paste to a spreadsheet, add the number of boys and girls together, then sort, and Mentor was the highest enrollment, but I'm not sure how reliable those numbers are. Personally, I think that "one of the largest school systems" or even "a large school system" is sufficient because of the non-standard number of grades per school type. I just wanted to see how quickly I could find the information. MartyR 20:25, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Questionable notability for inclusion - Jesse Bishop Show?

Edits by 198.30.228.3 (talk) removed from article:

Mentor was also featured in a special episode of The Jesse Bishop Show, a cable access show in Lake County played on LCN (Lakeland Cable Network). The episode, "It's Better In Mentor", featured the cast roaming Better In Mentor Days (BIM Days) interviewing people asking if they prefered BIM Days or the Chardon Maple Festival, as well as doing interpretive dances about Mentor, speaking in French, and doing a reenactment of how they thought Mentor was discovered. [1]

• The website for Mentor's very own cable access stars.

Discussion:

Removed these lines from the main article for discussion on their notability and relevance. Should provide some proof as to why the subject is notable and why it should be included in the article. Would seem to be vanity edit. --KeithB 04:55, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Unless it's Wayne's World, I seriously doubt a cable access show merits notability. Of course, Wayne's World isn't really a cable access show. (*grin*) I don't care if it's a vanity edit or not, it doesn't belong. -- SwissCelt 13:15, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. Well said. The topic was added again by 198.30.228.3 - essentially reverted. I reverted the article, and left a second notice on the user's talk page. --KeithB 16:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

The Jesse Bishop Show... popular enough

The Jesse Bishop Show [2], while not known to the world, is known by quite a few in the Lake County, Ohio region. An article was even written about them and their one year anniversary of being on TV [3]. How much further do they have to go to be considered for a little section on this page? You could probably ask some of the record labels from music they've used and they would know The Jesse Bishop Show. I think they've used Lobster Records [4], Jade Tree Records [5], Suburban Home Records [6], and probably some others... All I know is that fans like me would love to have this little piece of The JBS on Wikipedia.

First off, thanks for discussing it, rather than just reverting. That's the way Wikipedia is supposed to work.

Wikipedia is a great resource. And it’s cool that anyone can contribute. But Wikipedia is not a free-for-all. There are rather extensive guidelines as to what is and is not appropriate for inclusion in an article. I recommend that you browse through some of these guidelines, and then consider whether your edit in its current form really belongs in this article.

As to your argument: you don’t mention any external sources that would verify the notability of the show. The “article” link you supply isn’t really an article: it’s just an announcement about your show (and it looks as though it was written by someone associated with the show).

The other links you provided don't help. It isn’t the reader’s job to check sources. It’s your responsibility as an editor to reasearch your information, and include references to your sources. Right now, your argument is basically that The Jesse Bishop Show should be included because you say it should.

One other note: if you are planning on contributing to Wikipedia in the future (and I hope that you will), you may want to consider signing up as a registered user. Then you can set up a user page for yourself, and you could mention your show on your page(I am assuming you are the producer?) as one of your interests.

Also, it is considered proper etiquette to sign your posts to talk pages. --KeithB 17:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

"Menner"

i'm from Mentor and i totally disagree with this; i've lived there all my life and i've never heard anyone pronounce Mentor without the "T." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hbsharkman (talk • contribs) 18:10, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what part you're from, but everyone I knew in high school and everyone I've ever talked to about it has called it "Menner". It's the main way we distinguish out-of-towners. I've been there 22 years and never heard a native say "Mentor" with the "t".Pronounciator (talk) 21:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC)