Talk:Pakistan occupied Kashmir

STOP HIJACKING

POK INCLUDES NOT JUST AJK..IT ALSO INCLUDES TRANS KARAKORAM TRACT, GILGIT AND BALTISTAN..117.193.33.134 (talk) 02:28, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

This is a blatant POV fork and should be a redirect. And it is a little bit ironic that you accuse me of hijacking - and why this part of WP India? Pahari Sahib 02:41, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

cant u understand that ajk not equal to pok..pok is three times larger than the area of ajk..check!!Please dont indulge in wp:vandalism..use valid arguments..give references to prove "pov" and contribute to wiki.but dont vandalise by removing referenced facts..Cityvalyu (talk) 02:47, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't accuse others of vandalism, please try and read Wikipedia:Vandalism before proceeding. On the subject of POV - did you notice this? This page was moved to a neutral title, changes that you have reverted. Pahari Sahib 03:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

pahari sahib, you are vandal.why self doubt? you didnt talk on discussion page before blanking and making controversial removal of content...you also removed previous talk page discussions..what else is vandalism???? ..you removed all my edits and blanked the page without developing consensus..see history..you escaped by putting a namesake "redirect" edit with a silly fork excuse to avoid automatic vandalism detection by bots..you are hijacker and vandal both..not mere vandalKashmircloud (talk) 07:02, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

proof of vandalism/ undiscussed massive removal of content by [[Pahari Sahib]]

proof1

20:09, 30 August 2008 Pahari Sahib (26 bytes) 15:35, 30 August 2008 86.153.132.156 (6,236 bytes) 15:22, 30 August 2008 86.153.132.156 (6,208 bytes) 15:19, 30 August 2008 86.153.132.156 (6,181 bytes) 14:44, 30 August 2008 86.153.132.156 (6,214 bytes) 14:41, 30 August 2008 86.153.132.156 (6,201 bytes) 06:44, 30 August 2008 117.193.38.121 (6,167 bytes) 06:33, 30 August 2008 Kashmircloud (6,188 bytes)

proof2

02:20, 31 August 2008 Cityvalyu (Talk | contribs) (9,421 bytes) (removed vandalism...add npov tag if you cant contribute towards neutrality..all content fully referenced and NOT FORKED..stop false summaries) 02:01, 31 August 2008 Pahari Sahib (Talk | contribs) (26 bytes) --'added a redirect page with a false edit summary again 01:55, 31 August 2008 Cityvalyu (Talk | contribs) (6,659 bytes) (added referenced text)

one man has spoiled the contributions of so many users with an undiscussed move..he didnt even bother to prove his allegations of identical nature content in talk page.. if not for wiki requirements of restraint, i would have asked him to "f**k o** you vandal"..now he is acting as if he didnt do any vandalistic removal of well discussed and well accepted edits!!Kashmircloud (talk) 20:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

hypocrite kashmir cloud calls other vandals but is self delluded maybe it would be better if you just star in some indian nationalist movie maybe you can be the hero defeating pakistan what you say? 86.151.123.126 (talk) 20:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

kashmir cloud barker

(edits irrelevant to the discussion on hijacking of pok shifted down..should we open a seperate page for anonymous editors)Kashmircloud (talk) 20:07, 1 September 2008 (UTC) no we shouldnt lol no one agrees with you on anything then you go off crying like you did in azad kashmir page to console yourself you make "POK" good conselation prize page ha ha little kiddish behaviour 86.151.123.126 (talk) 20:36, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

BIASED INDIAN ARTICLE

this article is a pathetic show of indian propaganda it doesnt even mention who uses the term "POK" this article makes it out as the whole world uses when only one country does i.e India this is seriously biased it should mention that only INDIANS USE THIS TERM AND NO ONE ELSE. 86.163.154.87 (talk) 13:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

NPOV ARTICLE

you have no neutrality in this article even a child can see unless your blind its shows how extremely nationalist you indians on wikipedia can be its time to change your ways the above user is known for his one sided bias towards india maybe i should make a page on Indian occupied Kashmir the one where recently hundreds of people are being murdered and protests are being held? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.154.87 (talk) 13:53, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

kashmir cloud biased pro indian nationalist

Kashmir Cloud aka vandal nationalist of india your a lame excuse for a editor whos sole mission is to spread propaganda against anything pakistan such as Azad Kashmir while indian occupied kashmir burns (just look at the news) this article is another peice of evidence reminding of yoru childish rants maybe you should just join the indian army and kill some kids thats what you indian cowards usually do in kashmir this article is like a bollywood movie full of cheap material from cheap indian sites ITS PATHETIC 86.163.154.87 (talk) 14:00, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

needs mention

Maharaja Hari Singh’s letter of October 26, 1947 to Lord Mountbatten and latter’s reply to Maharaja on October 27, 1947, which reads as:

Maharaja Hari Singh said: “With the conditions obtaining at present in my State and the great emergency of situation as it exists, I have no option but to ask for help from Indian Dominion. Naturally they can not send the help asked for by me without my State acceding to the Dominion of India. I have accordingly decided to do so and I attach the Instrument of Accession for acceptance by your Government.”

Lord Mountbatten in reply to Maharaja’s letter writes: “In the special circumstances mentioned by Your Highness, my government has decided to accept the accession of Kashmir State to the Dominion of India. It is my government’s wish that as soon as law and order have been restored in Kashmir and her soil cleared of the invaders, the question of State’s accession should be settled by a reference to the people. Meanwhile, in response to Your Highness’s appeal for military aid, action has been taken today to send troops of the Indian Army to Kashmir to help your own forces to defend your territory and to protect the lives, property and honour of your people.”

On the basis of Maharaja’s “accession” India claims ownership of the entire State which includes the approximately one third of the territory currently administered by Pakistan.

The tribal raiders from North West Frontier Province descended on Baramullah, only 30 miles from Srinagar on October 24-26. Overtaken by their wild habits, they indulged in large scale looting, burning, raping and killing. All day, Monday October 27, while the Ist Sikhs of Indian troops secured their fragile hold on Kashmir’s only airport, the Pathan’s in Baramullah were giving vent to their ancient appetites for rape and pillage. They violated the nuns, massacred the patients in their little clinic, looted the convent chapel down to its last brass knob.

By the time Pathans resumed to their attack, it was too late. The raiders hardly realized that the time spent by them in committing their abominable crimes would turn out to be their punishment as it enabled the Indian forces to land at Srinagar airport on October 27 and ultimately push back the raiders inflicting heavy casualities on them. Sheikh Mohammed Abdullah is appointed head of the Emergency Administration.

source: http://www.kashmirnewz.com/history.html 117.193.33.134 (talk) 03:05, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Needs mentiona indian abuse in (IOK)

UNITED NATIONS

Press Release

xxxxxxxxxx OHCHR calls for restraint in Indian-administered Kashmir xxxxxxxxxx 27 August 2008

The Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights is concerned about the recent violent protests in Indian-administered Kashmir that have reportedly led to civilian casualties as well as restrictions to the right to freedom of assembly and expression.

OHCHR calls on the Indian authorities and in particular security forces to respect the right to freedom of assembly and expression, and comply with international human rights principles in controlling the demonstrators. The use of force should be proportionate to the threat posed and firearms must only be used in dispersing a violent assembly to protect individuals against an imminent threat of death or serious injury. The Acting High Commissioner calls for thorough and independent investigations into all killings that have occurred so far.

OHCHR also calls on the demonstrators to protest using peaceful means only. Leaders of the different protesting groups have a responsibility to ensure that demonstrations are peaceful and that the demonstrators are not carrying sticks, guns or other weapons and refrain from intimidation. Political actors are urged to take all necessary protection measures to avoid exposing people under 18, including young children, to violence and to manipulation for political ends. http://www.unhchr.ch/huricane/huricane.nsf/view01/1058F3E39F77ACE5C12574B2004E5CE3?opendocument 86.158.177.243 (talk) 09:53, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Centralized discussion

I have fully protected this article pending discussion and consensus regarding the content and titles of Pakistan occupied Kashmir and Azad Kashmir. I have created a centralized discussion thread WP:CCN#Azad Kashmir & Pakistan occupied Kashmir#here. All contributors to this discussion are expected to remain civil and to leave any nationalist rhetoric at the door, with the ultimate goal of creating (an) NPOV article(s) to fully cover the topic. Thanks, caknuck _° is geared up for football season 05:46, 31 August 2008 (UTC)