Template talk:WikiProject Palestine

Flag

Hello all. Was there a purposeful decision not to include the Palestinian flag in the template? My only guess is that it shows solidarity with Palestinians outside the PA or something like that... nadav 00:09, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey Nadav. I switched the flag to a picture on the project page template. The flag might be used to say that the project cannot add the template to pages that are not under the rule of the Palestinian Authority. I personally disagree with that potential objection, but thought it would be better to pre-empt that conflict by putting up a less overtly nationalistic symbol. Tiamut 08:40, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I should have seen that. Yes, that's wise. nadav 08:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Template is eliminating table of contents

This template is somehow eliminating the table of contents in the talk pages on which it appears. See Talk:Munich (film) for an example [1]. I've poured through the source, but I can't figure it out. It's possible embedded inside one of the inner templates. Ideas? -- MisterHand 22:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Please

Do not change the picture on this template without garnering consensus for such a change. Thanks. Tiamat 14:27, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

You mean like Ian Pitchford (talk · contribs) did on 20 March 2009 when he added the Palestinian flag to the template and marked his edit as minor? If this Project is about Palestine the region, what is the flag of the Palestinian National Authority doing in it?—Biosketch (talk) 07:04, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

It isnt the flag of the PNA, it is the flag of Palestine. The WikiProject determines what they would like to have in the template, dont bring whatever misguided fight you want to have here. nableezy - 15:17, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Or how about this: I will continue to challenge edits that compromise the integrity of this Project and you will address me in a collegial tone regardless of your passions relating to the topic. It is assuredly not the flag of Palestine and assuredly is the flag used by the Palestinian Authority.—Biosketch (talk) 06:32, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

It is the Palestinian flag, not the flag of the PNA; it predates the PNA and will surely outlast it. You want to challenge things that compromise the "integrity" of the "Project", you can start by questioning why colonies in occupied territory have the Israeli flag on the talk page. Or you can do something useful with your time. You are arguing about something that appears only on talkpages, and in doing so betray your bias as you have yet, despite several questions from Sean about this at the NPOV/N (which you should have informed us of here), to show any problem with including the flag of Israel for places outside of Israel. But I forgot, you seem to want to define "Israeli" or "Israel" in different ways whenever it suits you, but Palestine, no that is only a region. nableezy - 18:50, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, and the Palestinian flag is the flag of the Palestinian people, not of the region. The consensus-based formula for referring to the settlements is "settlements," not "colonies." You're welcome to your opinions, but you shouldn't be using them as arguments relating to Wikipedia content. The settlements – that's what they are – have the Israeli flag at their Discussion pages because editors chose to place the Template:Israel there. Template:Israel links to the State of Israel, which is a political entity that chose the blue-and-white flag as one of its symbols. Get it? Political entity→flag, not geographic region→flag.—Biosketch (talk) 08:59, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Biosketch, please, Wikipedia is not an authoritarian state/theocracy. You can't go around telling people that they can't call settlements "colonies" on discussion pages...well, you can but be prepared for them to say something very, very blunt or rude to you. There is no problem with people speaking openly. Look at Michael Ben-Yair who said

"We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one - progressive, liberal - in Israel; and the other - cruel, injurious - in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day."

If he can do it in a newspaper, editors can do it here. It's okay for people to speak freely and use the words they want to use (within reason of course). It's a good thing and it's necessary. If you try to control language like this on discussion pages it will end in tears for you. Sean.hoyland - talk 10:01, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

I am free to call colonies in the occupied territories whatever I wish, and I certainly wont be bowing to your dictates on that issue. The flag is also designated as the flag of the State of Palestine, a state recognized by over 100 other states. But you, seemingly on purpose, miss the point. You claim elsewhere that this flag should only be used in places in the Palestinian territories because of this flag, but apparently reject the equivalent argument that the flag on the WPIsrael template should not be used for its colonies outside of the state. Thank you for demonstrating my point. nableezy - 13:38, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Biosketch, next time you make an edit like this, you should just say bluntly, "I don't like the Palestinian flag". Not worm around the subject with false justifications. Your pettiness is quite breathtaking. -asad (talk) 22:46, 9 August 2011 (UTC)