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Good revert

This revert is why we have the option. :) Good job, Anynobody 04:12, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Danke! :-) Have a nice Christmas! Scarian^Talk 14:53, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

De nada! You too :) Anynobody 00:23, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Barbara Schwarz

Hi; now that DRV has concluded can you delete or blank your draft bio at User:Anynobody/test area, so we aren't carrying a copy in userspace? Thanks! FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 16:29, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Sure :) Anynobody 02:13, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Category:Eguor editors

Anyeverybody, this is to notify you that Category:Eguor editors has been nominated by someone else for renaming or deletion. Please see Wikipedia:User categories for discussion#Category:Eguor editors if you wish to comment. Cheers, Iamunknown 05:32, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you :) Anynobody 05:42, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Please see this. --JustaHulk (talk) 15:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. As a FYI you don't need to use an external link for stuff like this, a standard [[wikilink]] like this will work too: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement#User:Anyeverybody (AKA User:Anynobody) and Barbara Schwarz :) Anynobody 00:46, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I know but then you have to muck about with the underscores or a bit of double copy/paste. My way did the job and was quick and easy. --JustaHulk (talk) 02:17, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

No underscores necessary, (they're only required if you want to type out the html address.) Anynobody 03:01, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Topic ban on Barbara Schwarz

Under the terms of the article probation imposed at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/COFS, I am banning you from making any edits related to Barbara Schwarz in any article for 30 days. You may make suggestions on talk pages provided you are not disruptive and follow the BLP policy, which applies to talk pages as well as articles.

After our previous discussion, I was disappointed to see you reinstate the Schwarz material at Neutral reportage. As I noted before, Schwarz is possibly a unique figure in the history of FOIA, but she is by no means unique in the history of neutral reportage. There are two other cases cited as "notable successes" and you made no attempt to describe either of them. There are 70 law review articles containing the term "neutral reportage" and none of them mention Mrs. Schwarz. Therefore, I conclude that your purpose in reinstating the information about the Schwarz case was not about improving the article on neutral reportage but was instead about pursuing this individual wherever possible. In the spirit of assuming good faith I do not completely rule out the possibility that you were innocently attempting to improve the neutral reportage article by describing the only case you are familiar with; this is the problem that when the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Ultimately, however, you continue to press the issue, so a time-out is warranted. Thatcher 02:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry you were disappointed, and appreciate your good faith, but perhaps you misunderstood what I meant when I said I hadn't planned on expanding beyond what was already there. I meant that I was planning on replacing the information removed, which I did in addition to opening a talk page discussion about it:Talk:Neutral reportage#Barbara Schwarz vs Salt Lake Tribune which I'm guessing you haven't looked at. It said, among other things, Her case was notable enough to be listed before and notable enough to be mentioned now. I'm simply describing and quoting the sources.

Also, I'm perfectly willing to discuss your point about law review articles, but not on the arbcom noticeboard or here. Instead, that's part of the reason I started the talk page discussion. Indeed the reason I only added info about that descion is because it's the only one I'm familiar with. However as I've tried to make perfectly clear, it was already there and I was just adding info from sources I had found. Anynobody 03:35, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Please take your concerns to Arbitration enforcement, not ANI. Thank you. Your post is here:

Topic ban review requested

Regards, Jehochman ^Talk 07:26, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

You've missed the point, the subjects are FOIA and neutral reportage. As a participant in the arbcom you should recall it was Scientology topics covered. Anynobody 07:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I would perceive that your ban on editing Barbara Schwarz related articles is justified. You have been stalking a non-public person. The notice that you placed on user Tilman's talkpage also appears to indicate this in where you openly pronounce about her supposed mental illness see here. I also wish to comment here that I do not agree with your adjudication as if these previous "deletion discussions" concerning the article on Barbara Schwarz had been "overwhelmingly in favor of keeping" it. They were not. --Olberon (talk) 09:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Since we disagree about the outcomes of previous discussions, and actual numbers can be counted, I'll start with that. I did a quick count and these are the numbers I got:Template:Multicol Number 1
k = 34
d = 8 (several unsigned comments appear to be Schwarz herself) Template:Multicol-break Number 2
k = 20
d = 3 Template:Multicol-break Number 3
k = 17
d = 1 Template:Multicol-break Number 4
k = 56
d = 17 Template:Multicol-end Bearing in mind that some people voted in multiple discussions, the overall numbers were:
Keep = 127
Delete = 29 Really, the numbers speak for themselves.

In regard to stalking anyone, the part of her former article which those 127 people felt was notable is her FOIA and court activities so when I saw an article about the latter which mentioned one of her cases I expanded it.

Lastly, you've obviously missed the entire point I made on Tilman's talk page, so I'll repeat and simplify it. There aren't any sources which discuss her relationship with Scientology in any great detail, therefore nothing can be said about it. If I had added mention of her to an article like Scientology, I'd understand why you'd think I was obsessing about her, the fact is I haven't. Anynobody 01:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

You will have to adjudicate by valid argument and not by majority vote and personal opinion. O.J. Simpson was also found innocent by a majority vote in the jury. BLP rules are simply to be enforced. Having a FOIA record is exercising one's rights as a US citizen, it does not turn a someone into a public person. May I also note that the article about Barbara Schwarz at present is actually gone.

Your words on Tilman's talkpage are quite clear for any to read: "has essentially locked her into mental illnes"! Per your archived talkpages you have been quite active with Barbara Schwarz. Various comments found there from other users/editors speak for themselves. May I also note that you have been blocked at present editing any articles relating to her.

You continue to argue and defend thus you will probably take up your previous approach when this block will be lifted. --Olberon (talk) 08:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Your history and focus on my opinion about Schwarz's ironically sad choice of religion indicates that your focus is Scientology. Like I said, both on Tilman's talk page and here, unless a source of some kind publishes the same opinion I won't be posting that in any articles. (Seriously though I doubt I'm the only one who will ever notice the discrepancy between Scientologists like her who need psychiatric help and the teachings of the CoS. Actually come to think of it, others have noticed, unfortunately it took a tragedy to get any attention.)Anynobody 08:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Your personal interpretations and evaluations nor mine for that matter do not bear any value whatsoever. The issue is not about Scientology but the non-public person Barbara Schwarz. The issue is that you have to abide by Wiki rules. Your responses and avoidance of the arguments brought forward by me have been noted. Over and out. --Olberon (talk) 12:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

The issue is that you have to abide by Wiki rules. Well, duh! (If I was breaking Wiki rules I'd of just added a section about her to Scientology despite there being no source.) ...the non-public person Barbara Schwarz. You are incorrect, she is a public person, by filing public requests for information, intiating pro se litigation (also public), and being interviewed for stories in newspapers and other media. Anynobody 00:54, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Again exercising one's rights for requests for information is no criteria for having become a public person. No encyclopaedia worthy of notice will ever consider adding the things you have been writing about Barbara Schwarz. --Olberon (talk) 06:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Those are all your opinion's and of course you are welcome to them but as you also pointed out earlier Wiki rules take priority. That's because the Salt Lake Tribune reported on her requests, and then when she sued them, The First Ammendment Center reported on that.

If you want to disregard the fact that exercising her rights in these areas made her public, that's your choice. The secondary sources can not be ignored. Anynobody 00:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Now that is actually interesting as I am not interested in opinions! I relate about a reality. No encyclopaedia (as in printed form) would consider including entries about Barbara Schwarz. You are again also ignoring BLP rules. Get an actual definition of what a public person is. Consider this:

"Wikipedia accepts your anonymity and privacy but you should also grant same courtesy to Barbara Schwarz and others. You don't know much about her because she explained her "run-in" with the Salt Lake Tribune very often on Usenet. Wrote that she gave interviews to the media. That is not what she explained. She wrote that a reporter of that paper contacted her and asked her to help him write an article about how the federal government denied reporters their FOIA records. He asked her to tell him her experiences with the FOIA offices. She didn't see him to provide information on her life but to help the media. A friendship between herself and the reporter developed over weeks, and he used private information that she gave him as a friend but not to be printed. He turned against her one day and abused her trust and twisted the private information and made a spectacle out of it. You should google Barbara Schwarz+Christopher Smith because she even posted the private correspondence between the reporter and herself after he betrayed her.

This was the only reporter she met. Apparently, after the Tribune published that article, other media came after her but by reading those articles, one can see that Ms. Schwarz refused for privacy reasons to talk to these reporters. And the media does not report anymore about her. This is all years in the past."

--Olberon (talk) 10:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

(Because I don't want you to think I'm avoiding any of your arguments I'll point out that Wikipedia's privacy policy regarding editors isn't the same privacy policy which affects biographies, which is what we're actually discussing.) The simple facts are that she was subject of an article by the Tribune for her notable FOIA endeavors, making her fit to be mentioned in our FOIA USA article. She was also the subject of an article by the First Amendment Center which she was interviewed for, since you've obviously not read it despite being provided with a link I'll quote her from it for you:

“It (the neutral-reporting privilege) is unconstitutional,” Schwarz said in an e-mail interview with the First Amendment Center Online (she has no phone in her Salt Lake City apartment). “We all depend on the media to keep us up to date with events, but we need true and responsible reporting and not horrible insults such as calling somebody a ‘FOIA terrorist.’”

Meaning both Ms. Schwarz refused for privacy reasons to talk to these reporters. is wrong and she's also fit for mentioning in neutral reportage. (Again since I don't want you to feel any points are being ignored, the fact that this is all years in the past. means nothing, that's what history is...stuff that happened in the past.) Anynobody 00:15, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Then make a short adequate notice/referral on the FOIA article. It doesn't either need a notice on some 'submarine' which is the invention of the reporter (see FOIA article entry of Barbra Schwarz). For all it does not nearly require an article entirely dedicated on Barbara Schwarz as you actively have been fighting for to keep. Let it go. You are far too occupied with her. I've checked some of your entries on the supposed Barbara Schwarz sockpuppets page. What is your issue with her? Define 'public person' & 'public figure' in proper dictionaries. None of your arguments turn Barbara Schwarz into any such. --Olberon (talk) 10:18, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

"she is a public person, by filing public requests for information, intiating pro se litigation (also public)" - AN, by this logic, if I use a public restroom then I am a public person too. That's it, I'm holding it in until I get home!! --JustaHulk (talk) 12:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

No. Try this and this, these may give you some idea. Consider the following message from Barbara Schwarz herself: "I just made some FOIA request and sued some lying officials. I never had any intention to do anything public. It is not my fault when people who hate my religion dig my cases out and make a big deal out of it." --Olberon (talk) 16:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Olberon In regard to your first post; you do understand that we're talking about two different subjects right? Freedom of Information Act (United States) for her foia requests and neutral reportage for her pro se defamation suit against the Salt Lake Tribune.

For all it does not nearly require an article entirely dedicated on Barbara Schwarz as you actively have been fighting for to keep. You seem to be missing the point entirely, the only way her article could be re-created is if new sources/developments were to come to light. I'm talking about adding information to two articles which already mentioned her.

JustanotherHulk Indeed you could use that kind of logic if the idea that submitting public domain FOIA requests and filing pro se lawsuits are just like going to a "public" bathroom. I haven't laughed so hard since I told a guy he had poor motor functions and he replied "Shut up! I know a lot about motors." Being in public and making public domain requests are not even close to the same thing. Even funnier is that your example is right you are a public person when you use a public restroom. So if you don't want people to know you use public restrooms, you'd better indeed hold it. People are free to watch you go into the bathroom, take your picture as you leave, and then later report it if they choose. You couldn't exactly argue invasion of privacy if the fact you used a public restroom is posted on the internet or something.

Olberon you're once again doing what you previously accused me of, ignoring Wiki rules. You really ought to look at links like our notability guideline for stuff to cite/quote. Anynobody 03:32, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

AN, I am glad you got a good laugh - that was partly the point. However, you seem to be confusing "public person" and public figure. The first is a misnomer. So we should substitute "public figure" for "public person" in the above discussion. Utilizing public facilities available to the private citizen, be they FOIA or a public toilet, does not a "public figure" make. That is erroneous thinking on your part. As regards the toilet (and perhaps the FOIA), you also seem to be confusing expectation of privacy (I am not really referring to that strict legal "Open fields" sense in the link though). Of course, when a private person uses public facilities available to the private citizen, be they FOIA or a public toilet, they sacrifice a certain level of privacy. That does not make them a "public figure" either. So Schwarz is not a "public figure" by virtue of "filing public requests for information, intiating pro se litigation (also public)". Does that change your mind on those points, disregarding whether press reports have made her a public figure? As regards the press, well that is the more borderline situation. I would say clearly no, she was a private person that had a very limited amount of press coverage on her private thoughts and private activities. But I will leave Olberon to argue that with you, I just want to see you change your mind on the other points I discuss. --JustaHulk (talk) 15:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Notability rules do not outrule BLP rules. Barbara Schwarz per these has a right to her privacy which you, judging your efforts, are obviously unwilling to grant her. Seems you did not understand that Justahulk was actually joking. There are specific guidelines that determine if a person is a public person or not. This is a closed cycle. --Olberon (talk) 04:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Notability rules do not outrule BLP rules. Nobody said they did, which BLP rules are being overruled? Barbara Schwarz per these has a right to her privacy which you, judging your efforts, are obviously unwilling to grant her. Being in the paper and holding e-mail interviews are not "private".Seems you did not understand that Justahulk was actually joking. I laughed didn't I? Anynobody 04:43, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

It is your actions that denote your position on things, not your laughs.

Delete - An embarrassment to Wikipedia. It has proved impossible to

maintain the article appropriately. Whatever her supposed notability, Barbara Schwarz is not a public figure. Her privacy should be be

respected. Fred Bauder 15:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC) --

Keep deleted -The article and its talk page has had to be deleted

before. The subject is interesting, but any article about her (Barbara Schwarz) soon includes nasty and controversial information that is poorly referenced. It is a running sore and a black mark on Wikipedia's reputation and integrity. Fred Bauder (talk) 03:27, 20 December 2007

(UTC)-

The person is an actual lawer (retired as such). I believe he knows what he is talking about. This is over! --Olberon (talk) 07:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Once again you're arguing as if the article we're talking about is Barbara Schwarz. It's not, we're talking about Freedom of Information Act (United States) and Neutral reportage. You do realize that going into the controversial information Fred Bauder was talking about is not included in either article. Anynobody 07:15, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

He addresses your arguments about Barbara being a public person or not. This bears direct relevancy to the other 2 articles. Your evaluation on both accounts in your latest respons obviously are incorrect. --Olberon (talk) 07:31, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

And indeed as he said The subject is interesting, but any article about her (Barbara Schwarz) soon includes nasty and controversial information that is poorly referenced. where's the poorly referenced info? And again, which article is about her? Anynobody 07:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)