User talk:Gouncbeatduke

Talk Israel thread: This article details Jewish casualties but not Arab casualties, is it giving a NPOV?

You started the above named RfC thread recently. I have recently added a subheading restating the initial question as I considered that the discussion was veering off topic. I know that you also added other perspectives / rephrasings in regard to this question which I may have reverted and thought you should be aware that I have only gone as far as to refer back to the original question.

I would also be interested in hearing of specific reverts of information that I think that I would regard to be Censored.

GregKaye 12:45, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your work on editing the Israel article. I do not think the article has a NPOV, and I think it is anti-Arab. The article details many events with fewer than 50 Jewish deaths, such as the “On 11 March 1978, a PLO guerilla raid from Lebanon led to the Coastal Road Massacre, in which 38 Israeli civilians were killed and 71 injured” statement in the article. When I tried to add references to events with greater than 50 non-Jewish deaths, such as the Deir Yassin massacre and King David Hotel bombing, they where immediately reverted, and there is still no mention of these events in the article. When I tried to add casualty numbers to the one sentence referencing the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine, this change was also reverted. I believe all these events are at least as relevant to Israel's history as the Coastal Road Massacre, and should be included in a NPOV article. I believe they we deleted because most of the editors want an article that reflects their anti-Arab bias, and not a NPOV article. I am not Arab or Jewish, I have no bias feelings either way on the subject, and I am only interested in seeing a NPOV article. Gouncbeatduke (talk)

Semi-protection

I've semi'd the page due to harassment. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:41, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

• On a side note, I'd like to ask that whomever is posting the death threats and so on stop. Seriously, this is not the way to go about accomplishing things and it has been reported. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:49, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I missed it. Is there any way I can see how the "death threats" where worded? It looks like your superduper administrator reverts make it impossible to read. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 18:32, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

A guard kitten for you!

Couldn't help but to see that thread on ANI and thought your talk page could use some cheer and fuzzy protection in light of it. Keep up the good work and don't let childish behaviour deter you!

Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 28 Shevat 5775 16:30, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Re: user page talks

Gouncbeatduke, you do have the right to ask someone to look into actions taken on your user page. However I don't think that directly asking (User name removed) in this manner is going to accomplish anything. I don't know if he's the person who is doing this and I have no opinion on that. However at the same time you have to consider this: what if he isn't? It's entirely possible that it could be someone else that is doing this and that (User name removed) is entirely unrelated to this. Having differences or issues with one another in other places on Wikipedia does not automatically mean that (User name removed) is the one harassing you and posting like this can in itself be seen as a form of harassment. Really, I don't think that there was any good way to go about asking someone directly about something like this, especially since even if you're correct (and again, I'm not saying that you are) it's extremely unlikely that someone will outright state that they made sockpuppets to make death threats against you since not only would that lead to a permablock and sanctions, but it could also potentially lead to legal actions off Wikipedia depending on where one or both parties live. Gouncbeatduke, I've reported the entire sockpuppet death threats to the Wikimedia legal team, who is looking into everything. If you want to get in touch with them then you can through this e-mail address: emergencywikimedia.org. I know that you must be genuinely rattled and even scared by the threats on your talk page. I've had people make threats against me in the past as well, but this just isn't the best way to go about this. I've removed the thread since there's no positive way that could end and I don't think you'd be able to get the answer you need. I've tagged (User name removed) in this but I'd like to ask that he not reply to this and I'd like to suggest that if possible, that the two of you avoid one another for a little while and if you two do need to revert one another's edits, that you go through another user familiar with the article/topic or through third opinion or dispute resolution. Hopefully things will cool down but right now I just don't think it's a good idea for the two of you to interact with each other. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:27, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

• Also, since he will obviously read this, I'd like to ask that neither of you use your own talk pages to make indirect comments to one another. I'd like to avoid this going to ANI, if possible. Like I said above, this is being investigated but if you want to directly talk to Wikimedia's legal department then you can through the address above. Now as far as the questions about the threats made on your page, there's no real way that I could let you see them on your talk page without undoing the deletions, although Wikimedia should be able to provide you with this since they have far more permissions/control on Wikipedia than an average admin does. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:34, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Dear Tokyogirl79, I don't think anyone who bothers to research the history here will have any doubt who should be the prime suspect for making the death threats. There is only one Wikipedia editor who has a long history of infantile attempts to intimidate NPOV editors into staying off Wikipedia articles in an effort allow his pro-Jewish/anti-Arab non-NPOV edits to stand unchecked. If the death threat editor knows how to mask his IP address, I imagine Wikipedia’s legal team will recommend allowing any likely socks to continue, despite the death threats. I expect the only way to deter whoever made the death threats will be if I continue to remove pro-Jewish/anti-Arab non-NPOV edits from Wikipedia articles, and he sees that his intimidation tactics do not work. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 15:42, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

• Comment: If I may comment on something here, even though I'm not involved in this specific incident.... Even though there is no excuse whatsoever for threatening another editor with bodily harm (childishly or seriously), I do think that using terminology such as "Pro-Jewish" in this way is not what I, at the very least, would consider good practice as it casts us like some sort of political faction or idea whereas we are a collection ethno-religious groups. I speak as a Jewish Pro-Palestinian Zionist who wears a Jordanian shemagh daily (and who keeps all his views out of his actual editting). It might be better to refer to the actions of the other user as POV-pushing and anti-Arab (which clearly means hatred of Arabs, something I personally find revolting). Saying "Pro-Jewish/anti-Arab" is something I find really irksome and I'm not easily irked by anything (though more sensitive Jews might find it a bit offensive). For one, it makes it sound like Jews and Arabs are polar opposites, which we are not, and for another, as I said, it makes us sound like a bit of an agenda (which we might be for many politicians, but we're still people) or at least have an agenda (which no one told me about if we do). And yes, I would say the same thing about pro-Arab, pro-Kurdish, pro-Japanese, etc. I hope you'll take these concerns into consideration. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 30 Shevat 5775 18:33, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing that out. I plan to use the term "anti-Arab non-NPOV" in the future. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 19:03, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

AE request

AE Request “WarKosign” 19:03, 19 February 2015 (UTC)